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Posted by Some Guy at 1:04pm on Thu Mar 16th 2006

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First off, no one gives a crap what Bill Gates has to say anymore.

I like your article.

I say boycott the whole proprietary software business.
There is plenty of free open-source software today to do what need.

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Posted by computer user at 2:53pm on Tue Mar 21st 2006

Regarding your last point: I was under the assumption that HD and BluRay technologies will be reverse compatible with DVD, meaning that users would not have to replace their whole collection of DVDs. They could just start buying HD disks from that point forward. Furthermore, technology isn't supposed to wait for public interest...supply creates demand when the new technology deserves it.

Just to be clear--I'm certainly not interested in either of these new technologies at the moment, partially based on some of the reasons you listed. But your last point is meritless.

Posted by Gabriel at 4:43pm on Tue Mar 21st 2006

HDMI cables are not that expensive. $15-$20. The rest of the point about HDMI is valid but you lose credibility at the end by saying the cables are expensive.

Posted by Some Guy at 5:06pm on Tue Mar 21st 2006

Gabriel - yes they're backwards compatible, however the point was that with a new format, you would want to buy your favorite movies again in high definition, even if you already own DVD. Ever heard an old(er) person say "Now I have to buy the White Album again...." ? :)

Some Guy - (nice name) Well upon further inspection you are correct, you can get them for that price on the internet. I have no interest in HDMI so I have never looked that much into it, but I know when I have walked through electronics stores, I've generally seen them in the $50-$100 range.

Posted by Some Guy at 8:11pm on Tue Mar 21st 2006

Sony Will NOT Downconvert HD Movies On Old HDTV's
http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/article.asp?section_id=2&article_id=1324

Posted by OSX at 9:32pm on Tue Mar 21st 2006

I agree with you about your article. I do, however, have one comment to make. While I'm not certain of this, I am pretty confident that Sony has stated the Blu-ray discs would be thinner than the standard DVD's and CD's we have today. Assuming they use the same protective coating as current generation discs, Blu-ray discs sound very intolerant to abuse of any kind.

Posted by Josh at 9:36pm on Tue Mar 21st 2006

Mass content aggregation, like the previous five years of mass DVD aggregation, is about to happen with donwloadedable content. People will be sharing, selling, buying, wholesaling direct download content.

People stopped by better quality CDs when they could own thousands of lower quality MP3s on their system. The same is already happening with downloaded video.

Posted by Charles at 9:39pm on Tue Mar 21st 2006

Higher resolution is more than enough reason to upgrade.

Posted by Drunkenrobot at 9:40pm on Tue Mar 21st 2006

On the first note:

Yes it will downsize the analog signal though component cables you don't need HDMI. I believe you can use an HDCP compliant DVI port.

Posted by w00gy at 9:41pm on Tue Mar 21st 2006

I like your 'web 2.0' feel. Nice design and yeah fuck HD-DVD as well.

Posted by hax at 9:42pm on Tue Mar 21st 2006

Lets boycott food as well.

BECAUSE I SAID SO.

Posted by coward at 9:51pm on Tue Mar 21st 2006

People should email this information to their friends and colleagues around the world. There are more realizations that these new formats and new hardware is about controlling every facet of the consumer experience, not innovation.

Here is something about music produced these days:

http://www.cdmasteringservices.com.nyud.net:8080/loudnesgraphic.htm

Posted by Great information! Thankyou at 10:05pm on Tue Mar 21st 2006

i agree
no need for either formats yet
or atleast until the MPAA gets their act together

fuck blu ray hard

Posted by mr_follicle at 10:07pm on Tue Mar 21st 2006

Good insights in the article.

BUT I want a PS3 when it comes out.
Ohhhhhhhhh....
It is hard to say no to a PS3 assuming the price is right (which we don't know yet)

Posted by wbc1228 at 10:11pm on Tue Mar 21st 2006

The subscription based all you can watch [HDTV] video on demand is going to make up a HUGE chunk of the at home movie watching public. And now it's growing to include direct to home over cable, satellite and Internet.

For those who want to "own" the movie: these people are not going to run out tomorrow and buy a $1000 player and $25 per HD DVD.

All the rest (the early adopters) should know (by now) they are talking a risk.. If you wait, the competition in the market will ultimately produce a low cost, acceptable solution. If it doesn't then there will be an even grater incentive to pirate movies and share them.

In other words if they make em cheap enough and accessible enough people will buy - if not people will not buy the players and the movies (a good portion of the public will just steal the movies). Leaving the market ripe for another company to produce a cheaper 'more acceptable' player technology. {just look at MP3s}

Posted by Dave at 10:12pm on Tue Mar 21st 2006

Dude, you are pulling facts out of your ass. I work at Dolby and you obviously did not do your homework.

The new HD DVD technolgy will introduce many new technologies to improve your experience that have nothing to do with adding more speakers. Sure, it will support up to 13 speakers, but that is just because we have a ton more bandwidth to utilize. DD+ and MLP will deliver a better experience all around.

http://www.dolby.com/about/news_events/press_releases/pr_23.09.04.html

http://www.dolby.com/assets/pdf/tech_library/DDPlus_FAQ.pdf

do your homework before you hyperbolize. jackass.

Posted by Dolby guy at 10:26pm on Tue Mar 21st 2006

Yeah...but I wanna get a PS# and it already includes a bd-player...BITCHES

Posted by Jar-Jar Binks at 10:26pm on Tue Mar 21st 2006

I have no interest in HDMI so I have never looked that much into it, but I know when I have walked through electronics stores, I've generally seen them in the $50-$100 range.

Well, maybe they are $100 in a retail store but, if you pay that much for one, you are a 'tard.

The first point is a good one until you add in that HDMI cables are expensive. They are not expensive and saying that they are makes you seem as if you don't know what you're talking about. It decreases the value of the argument.

Posted by Some Guy at 10:28pm on Tue Mar 21st 2006

I agree with you about your article. I do, however, have one comment to make. While I'm not certain of this, I am pretty confident that Sony has stated the Blu-ray discs would be thinner than the standard DVD's and CD's we have today. Assuming they use the same protective coating as current generation discs, Blu-ray discs sound very intolerant to abuse of any kind.
There will be a better coating on it. Look up Blu Ray on Wikipedia.org

Posted by Some OTHER guy at 10:38pm on Tue Mar 21st 2006

Shut the fuck up Some Guy! Ok, you found something wrong in one his arguments. But do you have to talk about it all day???

Posted by nrdd at 10:42pm on Tue Mar 21st 2006

I just bought an HDMI cable (open box mind you) for $70 from Best Buy. I just ran a quick google search because of what Some Guy said and I found tons of HDMI cables for around $20. I had no idea... Retail stores are an unbelievable rip off.

Posted by RabidSquirrel at 10:44pm on Tue Mar 21st 2006

"Sony Will NOT Downconvert HD Movies On Old HDTV's
http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/article.asp?section_id=2&article_id=1324

Posted by OSX at 9:32pm on Tue Mar 21st 2006 "

Sony have said they won't downsample at the start of the format war, but you have to remember that the functionality still exists in the hardware to do this, so they could start doing it AT ANY TIME. And other companies can easily do it too. They might start doing it on some releases (like they do DRM on CDs now) and eventually enable it on every disc sold. The main reason studios have held back not putting DRM on CDs and DVDs is because it causes incompatibilities, but now that these kinds of restrictions are built into the hardware, they will start silently implementing them first chance they get.

Great article, easy enough for the general public to understand. Lets hope this helps the boycott.

Posted by anon at 10:45pm on Tue Mar 21st 2006

Most people don't have HDTVs so Blu-ray will fail? By that logic BMW isn't successful because most people don't drive BMW cars. Not to mention Apple computers, Linux, organic foods... You don't have to ship millions of units or be in every home to be successful. More people are buying HDTVs everyday and the market is expanding. There is a great demand for HD content and the more TVs that are sold the more that demand grows.

Posted by conrad at 10:45pm on Tue Mar 21st 2006

...but when it comes to letting you enjoy it's works of art in the comfort of your home...

I just gotta say that it is supposed to be "its" rather than "it's" with an apostrophe.

Posted by TennBikeBerk at 10:46pm on Tue Mar 21st 2006

However what you need to consider RabidSquirrel is not the cost of the cable but the quality. Good quality costs more. Sure you can buy cheap cables but you won't get the same performance that you would from a more expensive cable.

Posted by conrad at 10:47pm on Tue Mar 21st 2006

Yet another reason not to buy a PS3, not only does the PS3 suck, but Blu-Ray sucks aswell. Sony all together is just a poorly organized, unconsumer friendly company.

If you're going to invest in a next-gen console, invest in a X360, as it's not infested with DRM hardware *cough* Blu-Ray *cough*

Posted by Noxel at 10:49pm on Tue Mar 21st 2006

Interesting article with many valid points worth considering.
One thing that could be added is the fact that both Blu-ray and HD-DVD discs will be obsolete very soon thanks to :

HVD ( Holographic Video Disc)
HVD Homepage
ZD NET Article

Posted by debido at 10:49pm on Tue Mar 21st 2006

Sorry the cables ARE expensive I KNOW I sell them $120 bucks for an HDMI to HDMI cable.

most people buy RETAIL ie where ever they GET there HDTV is 95% of the time exactly where they will buy there cables.

90% of THOSE people will be buying from best buy and circuit city and radio shack etc..

at those locations the cables ARE IN FACT over $100 (thats where they amke there profits) so it does NOT reduce his argument its a VERY good factual REALISTIC point from an expensive point of view BUT IT IS a poinless argument from another point of view. I have no problem with HDMI in fact its nice. one single small sleek cable to carry video and audio dramatically simplifying the connection of your equipment amongst its peices. I like it (though I wont use it anytime soon)

The Higher resolution is meaningless to me. mpg1 resolutions are just fine for me and thats the extreme low end of DVD resolution.

Most of us are not going to be owning >40" tv's anytime soon and 1080p is kind of pointless on anything less than 55+ inches (it takes a 60" HD screen to EQUAL the apparent size of a 36" SD Television (because its wide screen) so to get a HD screen in 16:9 that is the same physical HEIGHT (visible area) as a 36" TV I believe you need 60"

so why would I want to DOWNGRADE by getting an HD screen (since clearly few people can afford the LARGE HD screens ?)

when I can buy a 1080p 60" screen of any kind for under $800 I will POSSIBLY consider HD.

I DO however want bluray and HDDVD but I want them for my computer !! no more needing 8 discs to backup my Vacations pictures and video. with 25 or 50gb on one disc I dont think even I can take that many pictures (I came home from cancun with 12gigs of video and 6 gigs of Digital Pictures :-)

I will not buy any device that mandates AACS and I will not buy ANY Device that mandates HDCP for the operations I want to perform.

this means I will never buy them for MOVIES. I do not recognize DRM as legal morally or any other way.

I consider DRM to be THEFT in the purest simplest meaning of the word.

They are stealing my rights to my property (hardware and content)

Chris Taylor
http://www.nerys.com/

Posted by Chris Taylor at 10:51pm on Tue Mar 21st 2006

I'm gonna make this short and sweet. If the new format of discs are going to be a "machine-specific" disc, meaning it'll ONLY play on one machine, and one machine only, I guess that means that movie rental places will NOT be carrying these discs. That means we'll have to pay FULL price for a movie and not spend a few bucks to rent it. Right??

Posted by Mr. Scott at 10:55pm on Tue Mar 21st 2006

they are all idiots. they can't enforce this. there will always be a hacker smarter than them and as soon as they develop a new technology, a crack will break it. first they try to poison our computers with illegal root kits, now they want to create self destructing electronics. that's the way to embrace consumers.

one of these days some one is going to come along with a new model for making money by giving away DRM-free content, distributed via IP or other freely available channels, which isn't water down entertainment swill geared toward 13-year-old girls, and the movie and music industries as we know them will become extinct like the lumbering dinosaurs they are.

Posted by clear mind at 10:55pm on Tue Mar 21st 2006

For the part about self destruct code, i would think that
it is mort part, bad for your average consumer, i.e.
someone could flash the firmware of a dvd drive to enable
all regions, in dos if needed..... and some dumb nut
that is un-tech-savvy (grandmas, grandpas, etc...) will
throw in a disc that is incorrectly burned with legit
contents that is flagged as a movie, and boom.....
or that one incorrectly burned movie by the maker will
make millions of deives go belly up....
and since there are images of deisc that you can burn
which actually have the "scrambled" bits of data that
makes it through the check, i'd say in a few years (if
not months if you upset enough people) there will be
BD or HDVD images with these data backed up nicely

Posted by somone at 10:55pm on Tue Mar 21st 2006

Manufacturers such as Sony EXPECT one to go out and purchase all material components you need at a retail store anyway.

I don't see any major industries sponsoring any websites selling hardware/software unless it's their own damn site.

Manufacturers rely on consumers to be stupid in order to bring in more profit.

It's all based on partnerships in advertising.

Look at how big of a fucking deal iPod's have been made up as in retail stores such as Best Buy, or Comp USA.

They're spending all of this money on advertising trying to hide the fact that you're paying over $100 extra for glossy plastic, and a higher social status, if that matters to you; which if it does, you're probably not reading this.

Posted by Jaydo at 10:59pm on Tue Mar 21st 2006

responses to certain comments:

posted by Noxel:

"If you're going to invest in a next-gen console, invest in a X360, as it's not infested with DRM hardware *cough* Blu-Ray *cough*"

yes, invest in a COMPUTER made out of mixed bastardized hardware, that overheats, crashes, and has no original games?

I'm waiting for the Revolution, thank you; MS's crap games, and Sony's horrible marketing tactics deter me from ever buying their consoles again. What the hell is up with Snake's new rapist moustache anyway? (MSG starring Burt-Fucking-Reynolds.)

and some responses to these two posts:

Interesting article with many valid points worth considering.
One thing that could be added is the fact that both Blu-ray and HD-DVD discs will be obsolete very soon thanks to :

HVD ( Holographic Video Disc)

and

I DO however want bluray and HDDVD but I want them for my computer !! no more needing 8 discs to backup my Vacations pictures and video. with 25 or 50gb on one disc I dont think even I can take that many pictures.

You could achieve over 63 gigs worth of space on a DVD if manufacturers would produce lasers that entwined photons.
photons have been combined at a stable rate of three photons to one, a temporary stable rate of four to one. Three to one ratios would increase storage size on any kind of disc nine-fold. This new technology wouldn't even have to cost much more than current technology, but you know manufacturers would jack up the price, just because it is new.

Just something to think about.

Posted by Jaydo at 11:11pm on Tue Mar 21st 2006

I agree 1000%. DONT GIVE IN TO DRM AND CONSUMERISM.

Posted by Juke at 11:15pm on Tue Mar 21st 2006

@Conrad: Having worked retail for the last twenty years, let me illuminate you on pricing at retail. Walk into any store and the big hardware - computers, TVs, etc - are typically low- to no- margin items - they sell with very little markup over what the item cost the retail outlet. Now, you can't sell everything at a 2% or 5% margin - how do you pay for your employees, your rent, your electricity, your advertising, your other overhead? Easy, you balance the low margin items with items that are essential to support the low margin items which can sell at a much greater margin. Walk into a Wal-Mart and you'll see cheap TVs and cheap cabling - but where a $275 TV costs them maybe $260 to $265 per, resulting in a low margin, those $4 coax cables only cost the store maybe fifty cents each - typically, a case of six cables cost the store less than a single cable would cost you to buy. This is basic fact.

Now take what you have learned and scale it. Best Buy sells that nice HDTV for $2000 - maybe it cost them $1900 plus to buy from Sony. But those $100 Monster Cables probably only cost them $25 to $35, to make up margin.

Your online sources for cheap cables - note, not necessarily poorer cables, just cables that can sell at a lesser margin due to smaller overhead - can get away with selling a cable that's equivalent to a $100 cable in Best Buy for only $25.

Posted by casey at 11:15pm on Tue Mar 21st 2006

As far as HDMI cables go, you are an idiot if you think a $100 cable is going to get you better performace than a $20 one. Its digital!, enough of the Monster marketing!

Posted by T at 11:17pm on Tue Mar 21st 2006

Heh, my wife just came in the room and looked at the screen and said "what the hell are you looking at?" because she saw the url and assumed it was a porn site...

I explained that bluray and hd-dvd were competing formats to replace dvd's and her first response was "why would we want to replace our dvds?"

I just nodded and in a low tone said "yeah, fuck bluray. Get it?"

Sometimes she's not too quick but this time she was...

Posted by Lykos at 11:19pm on Tue Mar 21st 2006

Note to the Dolby guy: I'll admit right now I don't know what you do there, you might be MR Dolby his own self, inventor of digital apeshit sound. You can rest assured that the fact that you work at Dolby does not mean you know whatall is going on there, and doesn't necessarily qualify you any more than billy bob to say what is the best sound since sliced bread.

Which is to say: it ain't better just because you say it's better.

Fuck Blu Ray, fuck DRM. If you wanna support a movie go to a theater, if you wanna support an artist, go to a concert.

Posted by musicpirate at 11:24pm on Tue Mar 21st 2006

hdmi cables at cost are 26 dollars canadian. my store charges 100 bucks for a 1m cable and we call them profit margins in a box. our tv's have less that 5% mark up so we need to bundle things like cables to make any money at all.

Posted by employee at 11:25pm on Tue Mar 21st 2006

screw media giants, and screw blu-ray, ps3, hd-dvd and w/e else they try to shove in my face...

Posted by magimashinu at 11:28pm on Tue Mar 21st 2006

To the dolby guy, 13.1 channels is all good and well, but give that there don't seem to be any discs that support 7.1 even though receivers with 7.1 are exceedingly common, are they actually going to get used? Dolby (to my knowledge) doesn't even have a discrete 6.1 channels so what's the point of 13.1? I think the next step if you're make any improvements in sound would be 6.2 channel sound, allowing full support for 2 subwoofers. And before you dibble shit about the fact bass is not a directional sound I'll tell you that I do know that, but a subwoofer can only repeat a deep long beat at a certain frequency (repetitive frequency not sound frequency) so If you had two subwoofers working in unison it would certainly add clarity to the low end.

And at the end of the day none of the sound improvements will matter because 99.9% of people are going to buy a cheap piece of shit sound system (as they all do now) and never notice the difference anyway!

end rant :)

Posted by not a dolby guy at 11:47pm on Tue Mar 21st 2006

None of this matters to me. I'm not upgrading to anything until we have holographs.

Posted by subpar at 12:05am on Wed Mar 22nd 2006

I agree with the sentiment, but profanity in the URL will turn many people off. If you want this campaign to be successful, you have to educate and win over people, not make them dismiss you as a crank.
Here is another site (by a former Apple exec who worked on their DVD authoring products, no less) you may want to link to:
http://www.hdboycott.com/

Posted by Fazal Majid at 2:31am on Wed Mar 22nd 2006

Thanks for all the comments everyone. Here's my huge response.

Dolby Guy - I'm sorry but I don't see anything exciting in either of those links. Better compression, higher possible bitrate, more channels, lossless audio, etc... this isn't vastly superior, it's just kind of slightly better. 5.1 already sounds fantastic. Most people won't notice a difference. I made the comment about "more speakers" because that's what all the hype is about these days, 7.1 is being shoved down our throats, but wait there's a problem! There are only like 20 movies total that have more than 5.1 channels encoded. So what's the point? That you fork over more money to these companies in the belief it will give you something superior when in fact it's nothing? My point is that "better sound" is a big scam to get you to open your wallet. It just can't get much better than 5.1 sound unless you are in a large space such as a theater.

Conrad - the BMW analogy doesn't really work for me. Apple once used a similar argument that failed to impress. Because everyone doesn't drive a BMW means BMW's are failures? No. Because there are about 100 different brands of car you could go out and buy. For the supposed "replacement" of the DVD stand, Blu-ray and HD-DVD are currently it. If one or the other or both doesn't replace DVD as "the standard" for movies, then yes, they will be a failure in my opinion. The HD market is expanding everyday, but even given that, there are still a metric shit ton of SDTV's taking up precious space in people's houses.

Debido - Those are interesting links re: holographic storage. I have heard of this before but never read much about it. I will look into adding it to this page or posting a story about it sometime. It actually sounds amazing.

Chris Taylor - Thanks for backing me up :D Like I said I've only seen HDMI cables in retail store situations, where they will for sure mark them up to make up for the fact that the expensive items are priced at barely-above cost.

Re: the word "fuck". It's offensive to some, but it's meant to be a strong statement, because I seriously feel that way. fuck blu-ray. Sony can shove it up their ass. Besides, that's why I registered some alternative URL's, such as bluraysucks.com. More options are listed on the front page.

Posted by Some Guy at 3:06am on Wed Mar 22nd 2006

Most of us are not going to be owning >40" tv's anytime soon and 1080p is kind of pointless on anything less than 55+ inches (it takes a 60" HD screen to EQUAL the apparent size of a 36" SD Television (because its wide screen) so to get a HD screen in 16:9 that is the same physical HEIGHT (visible area) as a 36" TV I believe you need 60"

36" 4/3 vs 60" 16/9
36" = height of 22" and a width of 29"
60" = height of 29" and a width of 52"

Ok lets try some thing new. a 29" tall 4/3 set is really a "49" set for the diagnal, and that "49" set will fit inside the 60" tv.

Last thing. pop a REAL dvd(not a walmart 4/3 version) onto your 36" 4/3. Your height just shrunk to 16" and your diagnal shrunk to 33". So if you want to fudge the numbers alittle, you could get 4x the picture area if you went from a 36" 4/3 to a 66" 16:9.

Posted by Nightanole at 9:01am on Wed Mar 22nd 2006

Anyone knows that always someone find a way to pirate something. This will happen with hd-dvd. Some people hacked the firmware of Xbox2 to play backup games, it will happen with HD and BLUE RAY as well.

kthx

Posted by Mike at 10:25am on Wed Mar 22nd 2006

To the folks who say he's loosing credibility for saying HDMI cables aren't cheap, I'm guessing he means that buying a new TV and a new HDMI cable isn't cheap.

"Otherwise, you are going to have to buy a brand new TV and and a new HDMI cable (not cheap)"

Not sure why the cable part was tossed in there. And the wording is a bit confusing. But it is true that making folks buy a new HD TV w/ HDMI inputs is a raw (and not cheap) deal.

Posted by miguel at 10:44am on Wed Mar 22nd 2006

Screw BlueRay and HDDVD. I ain't shelling out one penny on that crap until the've fought the format war and hardware and content providers get their shit together. After the SACD debacle I'm AMAZED Sony would even try this bullshyte again. BEst thing about the SACD BS was finding out how MUCH BETTER vinyl really sounds over CDs. Factor in the "Loudness Wars" being led by the content providers where most new "music" is willfully mastered and produced to such inferior technical specifications as to render most new CDs UNLISTENABLE for any length of time before listener fatigue kicks in. Sony DRM Rootkits where they infected customers computers with what was basically malicious code. Screw Sony..the more I think about it the more they suck and so will blueray.

Posted by boobookitty at 11:12am on Wed Mar 22nd 2006

Most people I know don't give a damn about picture quality and resolution, even those who already invested in huge expensive flatscreen TVs. It doesn't matter to them if they watch a DVD or a pirated movie filmed from a cinema screen by camcorder and compressed to fit on a single CD. It's the same with music, the majority isn't even interested in the bitrate of compressed audio files, let alone lossless audio formats. Like only few people are really audiophiles, not many are videophiles either.

The whole next-Gen-DVD-thingy has the potential of becoming a huge flop because once again it is developed AGAINST the customer. Noone bought the early digital video recorders when they purposely still didn't have harddrives or PC-connectivity for fear the consumers could actually use them to RECORD and manipulate TV shows (remove commercials for archiving) while the industry complained that nobody is buying their bullshit products.

It's just the same thing. And similar to 3G-telephone technology which has been tremendously unsuccessful so far (at least in Germany where I live) despite the 50 Billion Euros telcos paid for national licences alone. Well, nobody needed blurry videos on their tiny cellphone screens for ridiculously high minute-prices it seems...

To NOT offer the consumer products he wants and likes has never lead to commercial success. Sounds self-evident but some companies simply don't get it and make the same mistakes over and over and over... Can you hear me Sony?

Posted by Contaminator at 1:24pm on Wed Mar 22nd 2006

FUCK YOU MPAA AND RIAA! YOU WANT MY MONEY AGAIN??? FUCK YOU!!!
YOU'VE FOOLED US MANY YEARS BUT NOW ITS US WHO PLAY THE CARDS!

And if Bill Gates EVEN THINKS i'm going to BUY their Eye-candy new OS with FREE TCPA and DRM things guess what?? SHOVE IT UP YOUR ARSE (GO HACKERS GO!).

Posted by DustRider at 5:34pm on Wed Mar 22nd 2006

I see a lot of people on here critiquing the author as if they were his english comp teachers judging the "merit" or "strength" of his argument; to all of those i simply say, "shut the fuck up and get the fuck out of here with that bullshit!" This obviously does not pertain to you so keep it moving. A friend emailed this site to me because of the hdcp issue. I have a 42" NEC plasma with only a dvi port and cannot watch anything that is hdcp protected. sure the component cables provide a nice hd image, but it's not digital. So fuck blu-ray. And to all of those people on here talking about how cheap hdmi cables are, another big fuck you to you too. You obviously don't know shit about good cables and probably think monster is as good as it gets; my suggestion to you is : get your heads out of your asses and start living in the real world. Realize your value and worth as a person and as a consumer and stop letting your lives be dictated to you by everyone and everything around you. grow a fucking brain. thanks for the site.

Posted by jelly-o at 5:59pm on Wed Mar 22nd 2006

Nice article, good info ( and it even managed to avoid to mention the usual VHS vs Beta battle :-) )

But the last(?) point is dubious : any let's say pre-1970s movie is crappy quality TO START WITH. So if a new HD player is down-compatible to DVD-s, that is more than enough, you don't have to buy those old movies again in HD format, because they would be just as crappy quality. As for new movies, yes there would be some decisions to ponder on. But as others noted, the Internet will play a big role how people will watch movies, and in the end physical players will be in a minority. Just my thoughts...
Csaba

Posted by Phaeton at 10:02pm on Wed Mar 22nd 2006

Dolby guy here:

First of all cheers to you for altering your original text for the sound portion of your argument. Thank you.

Yes, my links were not overly informative, but merely the quickest I could find in my haste to post a comment and stand up for the company i work for and believe in strongly. there is a ton of good literature on the site that would better support my claim.

The issue I have now is your 'quality' argument. Plain and simple: Dolby will deliver better sound in next gen dvd. That is a scientific fact. whether joe shmo has the home theater deck to understand and percieve this difference has yet to be seen or observed. but that is what rocks about Dolby, we make it sound better because that is that is the passion within the company. we have always had a mission of 'if we build it they will buy it methodology' When was the last time you saw a Dolby TV advertisement? Never! Right... so where is this false hype you claim? It aint coming from us. The point I am trying to make is that your 'sound' argument is fallible in your call for a boycott. Your primary argument of fair-use is valid and deserves to be heard. But Dolby has nothing to do with this argument. Our goal, as I have learned by reading our lit and talking with the engineers is to simply maintain Dolby as the audio standard for all multichannel audio (in this argument, of course, we have a lot of other new goodies coming). this is achieved by providing better sound to our licensees and customers. We will deliver this sound to whatever format is next and next and next, whether the format is hated or loved. because that is what we do.

thanks for listening!

Posted by Dolby Guy at 1:04am on Thu Mar 23rd 2006

Thank you author for this article. Initally i was really impressed with that formats war and who will win but now after reading your article i believe you are correct. And all those responses or comments i am really impressed and gained more knowledge.
I am not saying hacking is moral or legal, infact it is unethical to say the least. But consider this like the MPAA RIAA and their counterparts in all countries what were they thinking when they were looting and maligning their customers? How many times have we bought original CDs and DVDs and got dissatisfied? Bcuz there only one song which we liked and the rest sucked. Or we liked one movie and the rest sucked. I assume it happened to most of us.
Hacking was the only solution and it evolved.
And to that dolby guy i find no sound difference i.e. between various versions. I understand you ppl want to make money but to the extinct of fooling ppl. Where was your brain? And those talking about HDMI cable, prices are always very high in retail shops, dont consider us fools, OK!! We know what the manufacturing price is. An Example given below.
Note : $1.00=~Rs.45
I am from india as you readers guessed it.
I recently bought Samsung DVD writer(OEM pack) for 3100Rs. I knew the manufacturing price bcuz i read in a reliable magazine (yes i love to read tech mags.) The manufacturing prices of various DVD writers were shown, which are made in Japan Korea Philippines etc. The prices were incredibly low = mere 45$ which means nearly 1350 Rs. and how much did i buy that for more that double that amount. So the question comes how much important those (greedy)wholesalers and (greedy)retailers are compared to manufacturers? well i think all of us are good mathematicians to calculate that.

Remember all those greedy ppl, those greed are the seeds for future bashing you ppl get from hackers and us!! Now is our time to take back what we gave to you. You (Electronics, music, movies, software, hardware industries) had your chance to be customer friendly and you blew it. Now you will get back what you deserve, its inevitable.
and yes fuck fuck you blu-ray and HD-DVD.

Posted by thankyouauthor at 7:57am on Thu Mar 23rd 2006

And dont ask which magazine was that bcuz major hardware and software giants in our country punished that magazine ppl and applied various restrictions to not to show manufacturing prices. And as a result that mag suffered and is not longer the most popular mags ppl like us buy. Anyone who knows any site or information about products where manufacring prices are given. please help!!!
Any criticism wont be accepted about my earlier post bcuz i was ready to oblige about that product i talked about i.e. DVD writer OEM pack, for almost upto 2700 Rs. But the greed inside them didnt move an inch. I said i knew the manufacturing price, about no-free trade between countries, wholesalers, retailers, and other few things. I knew how much the retailer would gain if i bought at 3100 Rs., approx 800 Rs for one product they didnt have in their store.
How much greed is that?

Posted by thankyouauthor at 8:12am on Thu Mar 23rd 2006

Hi there
Great comments on boycotting blu-ray.
I live in China and well to be frank, I never pay more than 2 dollars for a dvd, yes they are pirated and sometimes the quality is very bad, but hey for 2 dollars you can't really go wrong, and my PS2 games run me about a dollar lol.

Why stop at blu-ray, boycott all the mojor record/ movie companies for like a week and maybe they will finally listen people rather than charging people between 15 and 30 dollars for a little silver circle

Posted by Canadian in China at 8:55am on Thu Mar 23rd 2006

I was against piracy of content. Being a content producer (programmer and writer) I feel it's unfair to pirate. But alas... I had no choice.

So, faced with all these region-coding, proprietary format, etc. etc... what can a guy do? Most original DVD won't play on my player because it does not limit regions! I don't want a region-limiting player because being in Asia, not everything released in US is here! And now with Blu-ray, DVD, what else is new...

So what can a guy do?

The only option: buy a non-region, non-format-limiting CHEAP player and watch ONLY pirated discs. Had no choice, original disc won't play - need expensive player.

So, when all these studio limit our rights, who are losing? I still can watch movies... it's just that they don't get paid. Only the honest one loses.. and while I'm honest elsewhere, I don't think it's worth being honest with scums like the studios anyway. I respect the artists, but not the distributors - they're the scum of the earth. So, if you are honest with them, you must be one of the dumb ones... being honest with true liars..

Sometimes I feel I want to pay for the movies I really appreciate but what can I do... the studios, they force me into this corner and THEY FORCED ME TO BREAK THE LAW because they won't provide ANY CONTENT that can play on my player.

Now, if we're breaking the law, then the studios are breaking the law because THEY FORCED US.

Is there any other choice?

Sure. Convert yourself to a bland dumb guy who watch no movies and play no music. No video games (DRM too) and no eBooks (DRM shit). No need to learn even how to read then... everything is copyrighted and protected. You can't even play out loud your CD anymore because you need to pay royalties for every content that other people than YOU listen or watch in my country. Yeah... no more shoulder boombox. Can't even turn the radio volume up...

I better just go live in some moisture farm somewhere in Tattoine and practice my light saber... I can go listen to music in the Cantina for free.. Yeap, even this group of "scum and villainy" are better that the media distributors.

Posted by Cynicon Univa at 3:35am on Sun Mar 26th 2006

To the Dolby Guy, fuck off.

For most people, Dolby or no Dolby does not matter because the player won't be able to output the difference anyway. All those hometheater shits are not for most people.

Can you listen to the full blast of your home theater if you live in an apartment? The only people who can afford it are those who can build soundproof theater rooms. Then only will Dolby makes a difference.

Other than that, I find I always turn off Dolby because it makes the sound less audible in a low volume. Who the fuck care about the ting-ting sound so far away at the back when you can't even hear the voice clearly?

You people at Dolby sucks and I've been cheated so many times by buying dolby-enabled equipment and experiencing nothing difference. And you FORCE it on us! If I don't have dolby equipment, why should I buy the HD with a dolby track? Why can't I get a non-dolby version at cheaper price since nobody had to pay dolby the license fee?

Dolby is part of the scum. At least THX makes some difference even in low volume. Dolby makes none. One of the worst scum and villainy of the earth that causes high digital media prices.

So dolby guy, you sucks.

Posted by Cynicon Univa at 3:46am on Sun Mar 26th 2006

You know what, boobookitty, you're right.

All this DRM thing is being taken too far. The Sony rootkit is an example.

Now, aren't we glad we pirated them? I mean, no one ever got the Sony rootkit from the pirated ones, right? Unless it is a perfect pirate copy which cannot be made because of the rootkit thing. Sure, we have to contend with viruses and spywares but at least we already EXPECT them and can be ready.

So, in the end, who lost?

The dumb honest guys and the scumbags they are being honest to.

Posted by Cynicon Univa at 3:53am on Sun Mar 26th 2006

Anyone who knows where do we get information about manufacturing(not retail or wholesale price) prices of all(all mean everything) products. Please help!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by thankyouauthor at 2:57pm on Mon Mar 27th 2006

Remember suckers, i mean blood sucking industries, your greed will come back to haunt you. Sorry for being religious in a way.And all those honest guys, some comments might be nasty to you ppl, but it is just eye-opener and no personal hardfeelings towards you.

Posted by thankyouauthor at 4:11pm on Mon Mar 27th 2006

^_^

Posted by asdf at 10:41pm on Mon Mar 27th 2006

i have guessed, until now, that bluray format must win, because it was made from a group that is more linux friendly, but now i see.

DRM sucks! They just want more and more money!

Posted by Jo�o Matos at 8:48am on Tue Mar 28th 2006

Companies are marketing items which sound nice, but the usage of these items is very restricted. We all have a clear choice: don't buy it. Oh, so you think you can't live without the latest piece of hardware that makes watching tv a little better? Baloney! I've never had a tv in my life and I'm just fine!

Are you mad about buying a cd and paying $20 dollars for it? You aren't being forced to buy it, but some people are convinced that there's just no way to live without it. Don't buy it if you don't like the price. Illegal copying is obviously not the way to go either; as long as it is illegal, you should obey the law. If you don't like the law, try to get it changed.

Obviously all these restrictions are bad for the consumers, but I don't think it's all that great for the companies either, at least not in the long run.

It's already sad that we have to use non-free drivers to use our computer hardware (video cards, etc), but there is also a lot of hardware that doesn't have drivers available period, and the manufacturers aren't being helpful. I know the next time I build/buy a computer I will be extremely careful about picking hardware from good manufacturers that make their drivers free and available for Linux, and make available information on how the hardware works. That's what we expect in a car, isn't it?

How did the world suddenly begin compromising at every corner? Did we forget that we are free people only if we fight for our freedom? Did we forget that freedom comes with great responsibilities? Yes, we have forgotten.

Every one of you is responsible to do your best to protect your freedoms; otherwise you lose them.

Posted by gnat79 at 12:56am on Wed Mar 29th 2006

Russian translation now available here

Posted by jno at 4:45am on Wed Mar 29th 2006

Blue-Ray or HdTV will come just wait one or two years. DVDs get Hacked or Cracked after a short period of time, these Formats will be even faster. The Hacker and Cracker Community has grown and the one who Cracks the Algorithm will make history like the Guy that Cracked the DVD. I know that some Companys will produce Hardware that will not care for restrictions when their time has come. Then the War between these formats will be decided. Boycott it until free posibilites are availabel (you don't have to wait for long). I think that format will win the War that is Cracked fist because it will spread much faster on the World :-)

Posted by Laugher at 3:25am on Thu Mar 30th 2006

I agree. All truth of 'new technologies' is 'pay more!'. Shareholders and directors think about profit, no customers.

But, if they want more money then wold be better for them think about another way of profit. Why do I limite my rights if I honorable customer?! NEVER! I pay taxes, and that's enough.

Boycott bluray!

Posted by Miker at 6:51am on Thu Mar 30th 2006

EVERYONE PLEASE READ:

Whenever you mention DRM, PLEASE include the word 'infected'. Ie "The next generation of video players ie BD and HD DVD are both infected with DRM". Or "The latest batch of Sony audio CD' are DRM infected".

The industry equates 'copying' with 'theft' in every press release, so lets give em hell back. Never make a post or submit a story without the words 'DRM infected'.

SPREAD THE WORD!!

Posted by Sony Sucks at 8:02pm on Fri Mar 31st 2006

You said:
"The jump from VHS to DVD was dramatic and obvious - superior video quality, digital surround sound, non-degrading storage format, multiple audio tracks, bonus features, etc. "

Well, unfortunately that isn�t always true.
I only collect concert videos, and most of the DVDs are released with Dolby 2.0 and Dolby 5.1, but only a few include a LPCM (CD quality) track.

So in most cases the DVD sounds worse than the VHS/Laserdisc because Dolby Digital sounds worse than MP3s.

The hifi stereo track of any VHS sounds better than Dolby Digital, even when high rate Dolby is used.
The analog and digital tracks of a laserdisc sound better than Dolby Digital.

Dolby may be alright for movies, but certainly not good for music.

Why aren�t studio using an LPCM track on DVDs? To save disk space so they can include some extras, or sometimes to release a single layer disk instead of a double layer one.

Posted by Javier at 4:10am on Sat Apr 1st 2006

free open-source software is freedom.

Posted by kemalguvenli at 5:37am on Sat Apr 1st 2006

Russian CoolHackers with you

Posted by SARi4 at 2:24pm on Sat Apr 1st 2006

We all might want to think about boycotting the new Windows Vista too. Microsoft plans to really take control of what you can play when using their new OS.
For example; in the March and also in the April issue of CPU (Computer Power User), Alex St. John (A founding member of the DirectX team) says Vista is amazingly obstructive, tasks you presently take for granted, like downloading and installing media and software will be a pain.

Also, as reported in Computer Games, issue 186, May, 2006, page 14. Vista will not support region free DVD drives at all. This to prevent you from the awful crime of playing DVD's from more than one region on your PC.

Posted by Richard at 4:51pm on Sat Apr 1st 2006

I would like to point out that in Canada a levy is charged on the sale of CD's. This is because the the music industry thinks every CD sold is being used to copy music, when in fact many are used for data, digital photo's and the like, Can you imagine what they will charge on blu-ray and HD-DVD's when the movie industry moves to have a levy put on these new disc formants?

Canadian Media Levy
Audio Cassette tape (40-minute lengths or longer) 29� per unit
CD-R Audio, CD-RW-Audio & MiniDisc 77� per unit
CD-R, CD-RW (non-audio) 21� per unit

Posted by HellBoy at 1:52pm on Sun Apr 2nd 2006

BTW, if a legally purchaised DVD player is unable to play a legally purchaised DVD disk, it is considered broken under the local russian law. hence, all the requirements for region coding are almost illegal in russia (not the coding itself, but if your player cannot play a DVD you can return it back to store as being broken). hence, almost all the players here are capable to play any region disk. :-P

Posted by jno at 7:47am on Mon Apr 3rd 2006

Blu-ray DVD drive - $1000 (Maybe a bit more, maybe a bit less)
Blu-ray DVD blank disc - $30 -$35

Dual Layer DVD Burner -$50
Blank DVD's - $0.50 each (Or less, I've bought 50 for $20.)

200 GB Hard-drive $100

So, if I need extra storage I add a HD for 10% of what a Blu-ray drive costs.
I can back it up on $5 worth of DVD's, or to a that second HD.

So why does sony think people will buy their hardware anyway?

Posted by Anonymous at 2:38pm on Thu Apr 6th 2006

Yes, HDD's more cheaper and faster ^_^

I hope, "1984" will newer come -.- Fuck system, Fuck DRM

Posted by Dweller at 5:23am on Fri Apr 7th 2006

Hi all.

I have read every comment above. That's only one obvious conclusion:

Industries that invest in DRM and all its related projects are giving a last breath before dying. They just can't take away people's freedom.

In a near future, let us say, 2 years, FREE SOFTWARE and all related projects WILL become the standart. Remember, FREE is related to FREEDOM, not "free of charge".

We already have today FREE software and tools for every task of our lives. Just take a look at OpenOffice 2.0 for example and see how a 80Mb FREE SOFTWARE can be superior to every other (expensive) office package at the market. Go beyond and see linux. Some distributions, like UBUNTU LINUX are 10 times easier to use than any other proprietary operating system.

It is inevitable. 2 years is the necessary time to people get to KNOW more about this. Freedom is already at hand. Just take the red pill and come see the truth.

With this in mind, KNOW that every freedom movement is supported by every single participant. So please:

DO NOT SUPPORT PIRACY. By supporting piracy, you are still making these EVIL industries stronger, and even worse, showing them that they NEED something like DRM to survive.

SUPPORT FREEDOM. By supporting projects like the GPLv3, you are helping to kill these evil threats to our freedom by their very root. Simply ignore Sony, Toshiba and its DRM partners, look for FREE stuff and you will see, there is always a way in Freedom.

Finally, I encourage everyone here to take the red pill, to try free and open alternatives, to FREEDOM, to a FREE world.

Start by knowing the tiny edge of the iceberg:

http://www.fsf.org
http://www.ubuntu.com

I hope that you all choose to be free. It's in your hands to take the decision of following the path of freedom. Do not be afraid. :)

Ass.

(0.0)
_|||_

Posted by FSF Prophet at 12:14pm on Sat Apr 8th 2006

I'll wait for PS with blue ray, thanks.

Posted by fatboy at 7:40pm on Sat Apr 8th 2006

It has been confirmed by the publication, �New Scientist� that each of Sony�s Blu-ray DVD players will have a unique identity code that is concealed in a secure chip inside the machine. This chip contains secret encryption/decryption keys, and can be updated by reading yet more secret encryption keys that will be placed on Hollywood movie DVD�s.
This will make it impossible to copy any movie released on Blu-ray, as the player will be updated anytime a new movie release is placed in the machine.

(Note: Sony did this with their PSP (Play-Station-Portable). Kids discovered they could play other game titles using an emulator on the PSP, but Sony would have none of that, and placed fixes on their newest games, which updated a secret chip in the player. Once updated, kids could no longer use these emulators and play non Sony titles. And worst of all, these kids bought the Sony games that ended up screwing them over. Thanks guys.)

Now, if someone was able to crack the code and able to make a copy or back-up of a blu-ray released movie, the next time a new release was played on the machine the codes would be updated and any copies would no longer play. Also, if a new release hasn�t been �loaded� in the player for 18 months or so, owners of these players will be forced to upgrade their software or the player will stop working.

If the data on a DVD is corrupted and the keys are read incorrectly the player will quit working. This is viewed as an attempted hack. This might happen if the DVD is scratched, the power goes out while a new key is updating the machines chip, or problems with mastering from the factory.

As most people who rent DVD�s can attest, they get pretty scratched and marked up. Some people have reported that a better scratch resistant coating will be used, but this is not so, as the movie industry would be using it on existing DVD�s if there was such a product as one of their biggest customers are the rental chain stores.

I would like to point out that most people have no idea of how to make a copy of a DVD. Those that do, often make a copy of one that they rented. If anyone is losing out on a few dollars it�s the rental chains. But then again, few people rent the same movie again, and if they do, it�s in the weekly rental section and is a $1 by that time.
Other�s make back-ups to keep the original from getting scratched, especially if they have young kids at home.

What�s the final word? Avoid Sony�s blu-ray technology like the plague. If you don�t, then you got what you asked for.

(Please feel free to �cut� and �paste� this letter to your email and inform as many people as you can.)

Posted by Stop Blu-ray NOW at 8:46pm on Thu Apr 13th 2006

Chris Taylor - YOU DO NOT OWN THE RIGHTS TO MOVIES YOU PURCHASE.

Get that through your head. You have a limited use license. Do you think you have rights to software you buy? You have a limited use license. Whatever it's called - it's not YOUR material.

"They are stealing my rights to my property (hardware and content)

Chris Taylor"

Posted by Jeff at 12:26pm on Sat Apr 15th 2006

Chris Taylor - YOU DO NOT OWN THE RIGHTS TO MOVIES YOU PURCHASE.

Get that through your head. You have a limited use license. Do you think you have rights to software you buy? You have a limited use license. Whatever it's called - it's not YOUR material.

...That, in an nutshell, sums up precisely what has gone wrong.

Why do I not own it? I paid for it. This late 20th century concept of a "licence" is a bogus construct with no meaningful parallel in 40 centuries of human commerce.

It's a residue of a flawed conceptual model, the attempt to apply outdated capitalist supply and demand based valuation to an intangible - information.

Information is not scarce, it does not run out, it can be eternally renewed and reproduced for virtually zero real cost.

The primary reason copyright and patent laws exist is to help maintain the distorted inequitable distribution of wealth left over from the machine age. That is of course not why these laws were created, but it is why they are actually being applied in the current manner.

The creating artist, in most cases, is as shafted as he ever was, before or since these laws were put in place to "protect" his rights. "Intermediaries", as always, have risen up to parasitise the transaction between artist and audience, and like most parasites, they are now difficult to dislodge without damaging the host.

Still, 30 yrs from now, this "licence" notion will be a quaint historical artifact that future generations will use to point out the gullibility of this generation, like liver pills and Victorians.

Posted by Hey Jeff at 9:25am on Sun Apr 16th 2006

Ok, i may have this wrong so pleas correct if i am.
Blu-ray and HD-DVD won't work with "free" software, like linux?
PS3 will use Blu-ray as it's main source of optical media and from what i have seen on many web-sites the HDD for the PS3 will ship with LINUX on it.

So sony is not being 100% with us (again), and have somehow got around the AACS to let the Blu-ray drive of the PS3 work with the LINUX on the PS3s HDD.

I guess if you buy it from sony its ok but if you get it from someone else it's not.

I'm with you all the way BOYCOTT BLU-RAY and HD-DVD

Posted by EVILfreak at 8:10pm on Mon Apr 17th 2006

Yes I was refering to unix variety OS's, but I'll tell you, if Sony does indeed ship with Linux they will write their own likely-propietary software to work with Blu-ray. The article was refering to Joe Average's installation of linux on his PC... Today, 10 years after the release of DVD as a video format, there is still no legal way to play DVD's on linux. You have to install libdecss (or something like that), which is illegal, because it contains DeCSS, which is illegal because of that wonderful thing that we call the DMCA. I guarantee you there will never be a legal way to play HD-DVD and Blu-ray on linux computers, and guess what? Most uber-nerd hackers/programmers/whatever run linux! They're the most likely to be successful at such a feat in the first place, and not giving them a legal way to use these dicss on their computers is just taunting them and begging them to crack it.

Posted by Some Guy at 11:34pm on Mon Apr 17th 2006

An excellent way to get lots of customers hooked on High-Def would be to offer an upgrade programme where you trade in your (legitimate of course!) existing DVD for an HD version for a nominal charge $5-10. As I have already paid for the content I am only paying for a new piece of physical media.

Unfortunately the studios will be far too scared of something as sensible as that and will expect us to shell out $30-40 for movies we already own!

It is this greed that keeps feeding the P2P frenzy and until they realise that this is a huge untapped market (see iTunes!) people will carry on sourcing HD movies from 'alternate channels' .

Matt

Posted by Matt P at 10:20am on Tue Apr 18th 2006

Yes, I agree witht he boycott. But surely there will a new 'dvd jon' (or even the same?) to make our free software equipment play these new formats.
Remember libdvdcss is the underlying software running in every free dvd player program today. Why won�t it happen in the future?

Posted by bruno at 12:18pm on Tue Apr 18th 2006

You got me when I read that free software wont be able to run these formats.. Linux user.

Not to mention all the other crap that comes along. Thank you for good information.

Posted by Yildirim at 3:30pm on Tue Apr 18th 2006

What's going to happen when the computer models that play/burn to HD-DVD and Blu-ray disc have hackers and virus writers attacking them? These unique identity codes that are on the chips inside the hardware can be reprogrammed by companies like Sony, which they did to their PSP. Can you image your new $1000 blu-ray burner crapping out because it gets re-programmed by a virus?
I think those secret chips in this players are going to be the death of them.

Posted by Anonymous at 9:31pm on Tue Apr 18th 2006

you have some valid points... but you are pushing an extremist level. As far as I'm concerned nothing on the page is worth being OUTRAGED. Its part of the technology market. Developers try to make it impossible to bypass their "security" but some geek will find a way to beat it.

Posted by myself at 4:51am on Wed Apr 19th 2006

u have nothing to worry about, holographic dvd's will win in the end.

Posted by matt at 10:39am on Wed Apr 19th 2006

as for the secrect chip that gets re written by certain movies when they get put into the dvd player. lets not forget... that you could put it into your blu ray pc rom, and extract the code yourself (it has to be read some how and that means there is an out put) copy it. someone makes a database of all the codes they come accross online. then the average joe user who needs the code can then incorporate that into their back up copy so that it is given to the dvd player during the read. voila... thats one of the few problems with this blu terd problem solved.

But this was updated where its being said that the MAJOR movie guys are not going to do this anyway.

Posted by nerd!! at 9pm on Wed Apr 19th 2006

there is not going to be a way to Defeat blu-ray's protection chip, this has been seen with how sony did it with their psp (Play station portable) hand held game.
The only thing you can do is tell sony to 'fuck off', by not buying their blu-ray player.

Posted by hellboy at 12:13am on Thu Apr 20th 2006

Oh, there will be a way... eventually...

Posted by billy at 12:25pm on Thu Apr 20th 2006

So lets look at Sony�s track record on a few other things. Remember their �Walkman� brand music players? Very popular during the �cassette� era. But when they put out their MP3 player, they made it so that you had to use their special format, one that didn�t work with other devices or MP3 players. This killed the walkman brand, which now holds a paltry 2 percent of sales.

Posted by hellboy at 7:20pm on Fri Apr 21st 2006

HD DVD- "don't expect the dramatic leap in quality that came with the transition from VHS to DVDs in the 1990s."
More at this link

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=669410

Posted by Anonymous at 8:59pm on Sun Apr 23rd 2006

I am very glad i read your article. Get it out there, more people need to read this

Posted by Alex at 1:33pm on Tue Apr 25th 2006

I agree, who needs blue-ray. I read they will be outdated
next year when holographic disks and memory hit the market at aprox.100 gig per disk, and go up to terabytes of data. So I
will wait until it is really worth upgrading my video.

Posted by Rob at 6:21pm on Thu Apr 27th 2006

I also believed that everybody should boycott blue ray and hd dvd. There are too many restriction and compatibility issues with the tv's, dvd player and receivers. Hollywood just wants more money that they don't need. Why should consumers have to pay for all this. Boycotting will teach them a lesson.

Posted by kosal at 6:28pm on Thu Apr 27th 2006

I think we all need to be emailing everyone in our address books this info so that people know (as not enough do) what Sony and the HD-DVD people want to push on us is bullshit.

I have drafted this letter, with bits of info from this site and others as to the best points to bring up, so please feel free to share it with others.
Please Cut and Paste this note (below) and the link to this web site to an email letter and lets get this message out there.

Blu-Ray and HD-DVD, Just Say NO !!!

Sony BMG, last year (2005) release some 50 music CD titles that contained a powerful, invisible, undeletable program called a root-kit that installed on any Windows based computer when inserted. Over 5 million music CD secretly cared this spyware software. Infected computers became vulnerable to hackers and viruses. All this to stop people from copying music to MP3 players or making mixed music CD�s to play on their car stereo. The number of infected systems is not truly known, but problems like systems crashing, people losing important data, and having hackers take over their computers have been reported.

Now Sony wants you to by their new DVD player that uses Blu-ray DVD�s. These players and discs have something even more sinister on them, and we can only stop this type of hardware from dominating the market by refusing to buy them.

Sony�s new Blu-ray DVD player and the Blu-ray discs themselves have a new type of nasty copy protection on them. This is to stop you from ever putting a back-up copy of a movie in their player. Each Blu-ray player has a special programmable chip, these chips read a special file that is placed on every Blu-ray movie disc. The player reads the disc and if the right �key� is on it, the movie plays. If the player detects a �bad� key, or something it thinks is not �right�, then it will not play the movie. But wait it gets worse. The player, if it thinks the movie is a �pirate (back-up) copy,� the player will stop working. That�s right, it will �break� itself! (This info reported in New Scientist magazine, March 17, 2006. Pages 42 to 45)

And it gets even worse, each new movie released on Blu-ray will contain new copy-protection keys. These will be written to the player, again to stop any chance of a back-up copy being used. But this creates a huge danger. Here�s why.
What if something goes wrong while the player is being updated? Like the power going out? Or a dirty disc causing read errors. There is also the risk of updating errors they accidentally programmed on the discs, or that hackers or disgruntled employees but there.
Your player will stop work, and I�m not sure how you will get it fixed.

The fact of the matter is every time you put a new movie in the player, you run the risk of it failing. And your player refusing to play anything after that.
Remember this is coming from the company that brought us Betamax.

So lets look at Sony�s track record on a few other things. Remember their �Walkman� brand music players? Very popular during the �cassette� era. But when they put out their MP3 player, they made it so that you had to use their special format, one that didn�t work with other devices or MP3 players. This killed the walkman brand, which now holds a paltry 2 percent of sales.

Sony came out with the PSP, (Play Station Portable). Some users soon found out that, WOW, you could play other games on it by using an Emulator. (Games not made by SONY, or licensed by Sony) Now, only real hardcore gamers were doing this, but SONY being the bully that they are, were not going to let people play games on their PSP unless it was something SONY sold. So on all their new games, they put a software program that would change how the PSP worked, and this prevented them from playing non SONY games. You see, the owners didn�t know a secret chip was on the player, a chip SONY could program how they saw fit. And they saw fit to screw kids out of having fun with a game system they brought, and did it to them with the games the kids brought from SONY. How�s that for a slap in the face? (As reported in Maximum PC magazine �Check their web site for more info). So what does the future hold with the special chip on Sony�s Blu-ray player?

Hey, we are not done. In January 2006, the consortium (Blu-ray and HD-DVD people) moved to further impede any chance of someone copying a high-definition signal from their discs by down-convert (to 960x540 resolution) any HD content sent to a display device over analog connection. Like your computer monitor.
And it still gets worse, early HDTV adopters who want to watch HD video can�t. This is because you need an HDMI port. Why? Because they are afraid that if the signal is converted to analog their high-powered encryption on the disc will fail, so better that you can�t see it in HD at all then take a chance that you�ll try to make a copy of it. (This reported in Maximum PC magazine, April 2006, page 62.)
(Blu-Ray disc specification includes the ability to forcibly downscale a disc's output where it is sent over analogue outputs)

The final word? Just say NO to Blue-ray and HD-DVD player. Vote with your wallet. Don�t buy one.
If you do, you can't complain later.
Stop the Madness NOW.

Posted by Hellboy at 12:16am on Fri Apr 28th 2006

Independent of what the advocates of the new technology might be saying, the only argument for buying it can be the 'better quality'. But for me, it's exactly the other way round: the biggest argument against is the already good enough quality of the current system (DVD).

I have an entry-level (price-wise, anyway) home theatre system, consisting of a Pioneer DVD player, a no-name surround sound system and an InFocus video projector. All together for maybe half the price all my neighbours spent for their glorious, cow-sized TV sets ;). When watching a movie I already have a pin sharp, brilliant picture with no visible distortion, pattern or blur. Unless of course it's one of those DVDs overloaded with extras, with 4 gigs left for a two hour movie, in which case there might be compression artifacts visible. But those DVDs can be avoided.
The same goes for the sound, brilliant, no compression loss audible (which is not surprising with max. 448 kbit/s for AC3 and 1536 kbit/s for DTS). And there's certainly even room for improvement with a better sound system.

So the legitimate concluding question is:
Why the hell would I want to spend money on a useless, over-expensive and rather Fascist technology?

Posted by Stan at 11:48am on Fri Apr 28th 2006

For those interested in what has and had happened many years ago, (and a case of history repeating itself maybe!) Premiere Magazine�s X-men special has some thoughts on Blu-ray and HD-DVD.

� In the early 80�s RCA introduced the CED player, which accepted discs the size of vinyl LP records. With RCA�s marketing muscle and huge distribution network behind it, CED should have been a big success � but it suffered by comparison to Pioneer�s laserdisc.�

(Now you would think two big companies like RCA and Pioneer would be able to build on what they put out because they put a great deal of money into it, and Hollywood studios release movies in both formats� Is this sounding familiar?)
Yet ultimately both were a total loss.

Someone is going to lose this war too. So which side do you want to put your money on?
Pick wrong and you are out a lot of cash!

I pick neither�

Posted by Anonymous at 1:10am on Sat Apr 29th 2006

Sony Just posted Losses or $587m for the 1st Quarter of this year, all down to the ps3 and blu-ray R&D costs. When they sell the ps3 they make a loss, by november this year (if the same loss is made in each quarter) sony will have lost $1,500m and they will want to make that back somehow.
Cost of blu-ray hardware will be high, cost of blu-ray movies will be high, cost of ps3 games will be high. Even if you are not worried about all the secret chips inside your new hardware or the risk of a scratched disk messing with it, the one this you can be 100% on is that it's going to cost you, alot, more if you pick the wrong one.
Look at sony's UMD, less than 1% of sales for the psp is a UMD film.
The Future is'nt HD it DOWNLOADABLE. DVD players with networked HDD so you can download a movie and watch it on your 32"tv is what we want. Not have to buy a new 40" just to see a small diffrence.

It's all just an evil plot to get you to buy the STAR WARS boxset again on a new format anyway.

Posted by EVILfreak at 9:08am on Sat Apr 29th 2006

"Chris Taylor - YOU DO NOT OWN THE RIGHTS TO MOVIES YOU PURCHASE.

Get that through your head. You have a limited use license. Do you think you have rights to software you buy? You have a limited use license. Whatever it's called - it's not YOUR material.

"They are stealing my rights to my property (hardware and content)

Chris Taylor"
Posted by Jeff at 12:26pm on Sat Apr 15th 2006"

To Jeff and all those confused on this particular subject.

In the late part of the twentieth century major record labels, publishing house, and other "content" providers lobbied congress to make sweeping changes to the copy right system in the US. But before I explain the changes let me first explain the beginnings.

Copyright law was originally meant to foster creativity and competition. When the first laws were created their was no notion of actually owning the information. There has always been a clear distinction between physical property (land, cars, houses, corn, sheep, etc...) and "intellectual property." To those of you have read John Locke you know what I am talking about. To those of you who haven't Lockian philosophy forms the basis of not only our government but western ideas of property and basic human rights.

Here is an example of how the ideal is suppose to work:
For instance if the year was 1600 and I was an author and you were a printer, you have printed a book that I have written. You make most of the money off the sales of the that book because you take the most economic risk. This is because you had to buy ink, paper, movable type, a printing press, the binding, and the labor of your employees. While I only had to write the book. What copyright law is meant to do is prevent another printer underselling you by buying the first book off the press and reprinting it for profit.

Thus copyright law encourages fair competition between printers, and creativity because more authors books are on the shelves for people to read.

In the United States, whose founding fathers were notably profoundly influenced by Locke, copyright law lasted for 14 years with the possible extension to 28 years. One had to explicity request a license for a work to be copyrighted, and even then any one could make a derivative work (fan fic, sequals, remix, any thing of that sort). Now everything is automatically copyrighted (in the US) and the protect lasts for not 14 years but 95 automatically. Nothing is free any more nothing.

So how do these so called limited use licenses come into play. They are an artificial construct designed specifically to limit the natural freedoms of an individual. They should be thrown into boston habor along with the tea. One should not have to explicity state that information is free it should be automatically free, which is informations natural state perfect freedom. All limitations on the spread of ideas are artificial and of human design for the purpose of limiting freedom.

So Jeff you cannot steal intellectual property in the same way you cannot steal air. So what Chris Taylor is actually saying is they are stealing his natural freedom, and his rights to use his physical property (ie his dvd player) as he wishes. This is immoral and wrong.

For more information on these subjects see, the writings of John Locke, Voltaire, and an extended essay on this particular subject by Lawrence Lessig entitled "Free Culture."

cheers
Tim Henderson

Posted by Tim Henderson at 11:49pm on Mon May 1st 2006

PC World has also confirmed that Windows XP won�t support the encrypted Blu-ray or HD DVD movie discs. You have to use Windows Vista, which will not be out until 2007.

Posted by Anonymous at 12:19pm on Tue May 2nd 2006

I�m sure Sony checked this site to see what people are saying, if they are not they truly are idiots. You should always know what your consumers are thinking. Companies spend big bucks for that type of information.
Maybe for a while we should all boycott everything Sony sells. From blank CD�s to TV's and digital cameras. Now I know only a few percent of any group will do something this drastic. But a few percent drop in Sony sales means a lot of bucks, which might get the idiots at the top fired.
Just because someone is the CEO of a company doesn�t mean they know what they are doing.
For example, the 2002 movie Pinocchio, which got a 0 (Zero) score on the Rottentomatoes site, and made just over 3.5 million at the box office, but cost some $50 million to bring to the big screen, reportedly was green lighted by the same people that turned down Peter Jackson when he pitched them his idea for Lord of the Rings.
If ture, I hope these people are still looking for work.

Posted by Anonymous at 4:36pm on Tue May 2nd 2006

Corporations have one job, concentrate wealth with investors. Their attempts to create artificial scarcity are to be expected, but will fail, again.

Other technologies provide alternative options for those of us who like to be free from such restrictions. The capture point is just after decryption, so it will be as easy to get access to your content as it is to get your mobile phone unblocked. Wonderful thing, demand.

Ultimately if it can be seen or heard without modification to our bodies (if they could they would) it can be captured electronically. If that's at a lower resolution, so what. The great joy of movies is the story told, not the degree of optical approximation of imagination or reality.

I look forward to storing my archive on a multi-Terabyte hard drive, which I shall enjoy with great abandon, perhaps thrice daily, yea, as tho' lolling in a bed of lillies and roses I shall sup the visual delights like a slack-jawed gad-about.

Posted by Democrates at 11:41pm on Tue May 2nd 2006

we dont need a new video disk format ! in many countries people rarely have DVD player and mostly using that old VCDs.
ok I know DVD format is good and I think It is good enough because I think our eyes cant watch any better quality, I mean we have all detail we need in DVD format and It cant get any better than this comparing to size of data will waste on a BluRay. but I think Sony should work only on High Density Medias for Storage not movies...

Posted by Erfan Arabfakhri at 4:12am on Thu May 4th 2006

To the person wondering about Sony seeing this site: There have been several referals to this site from an internal sony website (portal.eworkplace.sony.com). So yes, someone there has seen it. Do they care? Obviously not.

Posted by Some Guy at 3:18pm on Fri May 5th 2006

Sony's price for PS3 is 600 USD, you can always buy it and use to watch blu-ray movies, if the players would indeed be more expensive.

Posted by okavu at 7:35am on Sun May 14th 2006

My freedom is something I do enjoy, and I will never let some companies (and the people behind them) take it off me.

No HD-DVD or Blue Ray for me, DVD and other formats will be enough as long as no HD open format will be available!

Generally people know the price of their freedom only when they loose it.

Posted by Mehdi at 4:44pm on Sun May 14th 2006

You guys are fucked. Bring on the new technology. I want better sound and much better picture quality. Once you see HD movies, you will never want to watch DVDs again. This is progress and you can't stop it. Move on bitches.

Posted by dude at 2:50am on Tue May 16th 2006

"dude", did you even read the fucking article? you fucking moron. you completely missed the point. consider dying.

Posted by not dude at 9:50am on Tue May 16th 2006

This is my take on high-def DVD.

First, my 50 inch wide screen TV doesn�t have a HDMI port, so I can�t use a blu-ray player to its full capacity because of the digital content protection/encryption scheme, and I think this also goes for Toshiba�s HD DVD. I�m not about to buy a new TV, as this one is only a year old. So realistically, as TV�s last a very long time, I have a 32 inch that�s 9 old, I can�t see a new TV in my future for 8 to 10 years.

Next, I brought an Xbox 360 last Xmas, and I love it for games like Oblivion. So of course I will not be buying a PS3.

Lastly, my computer is not even a year old, and it doesn�t have a video card that supports HD DVD or a monitor that does either, so that leaves me 3 to 4 years away from a new system, and as I understand it you need windows vista to use a blu-ray player to view movies anyway and I'm not getting that.

So bottom line, I am many, many years away from even looking at one of these produces. How many millions of other people are in the same boat as me? Can sales be nothing short of dismal for the next few years?
Maybe by then this will be a dead issue.

Posted by Sammy at 1:38pm on Wed May 17th 2006

From PC Magazine, these pages are a must read.
Blu-ray Is Doomed, By Lance Ulanoff
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,1959609,00.asp
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,1959610,00.asp

HD versus Blu-ray, John C. Dvorak
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,1956108,00.asp

Posted by From PC Magazine at 2:07pm on Wed May 17th 2006

Tim Henderson are you 10 years old? What kind of example did you post? To allow printers fair competition - total rubbish.

You have NO idea what copyright is about. I hold several for medical software I developed. Just because information is or can be distributed digitally, does not mean there is no or should be no copyright on it.

From the US copyright office
"Copyright is a form of protection provided by the laws of the United States (title 17, U.S. Code) to the authors of �original works of authorship,� including literary, dramatic, musical, artistic, and certain other intellectual works. This protection is available to both published and unpublished works. Section 106 of the 1976 Copyright Act generally gives the owner of copyright the exclusive right to do and to authorize others to do the following: "

http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#106a

It is the same argument when Xerox machines became available. Someone could copy a book very easily. This still did not make it legal by any means.

PS
off-topic .. I hate Sony and Blu-ray - I hope then burn!

Posted by JeffNLA at 1:45am on Thu May 18th 2006

I don�t believe for a second that CEO�s of big corporations like Sony see or pay any attention to web sites like this. They are insolated from negative comments so they can continue to live in their deluded world of everything rosy. How else can you explain how they treat their customers? We are all criminals in their eyes.
At some point they say, �Let them eat cake.�

Posted by Brian Kersser at 2:51pm on Thu May 18th 2006

Computers are upgradable (to a point), so why not other consumer electronics? Why not produce a TV or DVD player or home theatre reciever that is future ready??? Cuz it don't make money like makin' the consumer "buy another copy of the White Album". We think "give and share". They think "Take and take". "How can I profit?" "How can this benifit me?"

Well,
"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them" - Einstein

Posted by Trav at 10:16pm on Thu May 18th 2006

Fuck it lets make are own and let these pricks fight it out. I say we make a user friendly media type for the consumer to enjoy. I have a feeling someone is going to take over this market because they are not as greedy. I feel it is our god given right to copy stuff that is "art" and we purchase. Dell is trying to take over the media market in all. They want to create a devise that will handle all media in your house, car and mobile. Adding your Phone, TV, Pc, Home lighting, power, security, car audio / video exc into one devise. Sounds real safe doesn�t it. How about when its connected to the net. I love technology but hate the people that abuse the future development of it with greed.

Posted by Mike at 4:46pm on Fri May 19th 2006

My question is this. Does hi-definition anything make a crappy movie any better?

Posted by D at 5:15pm on Fri May 19th 2006

Well, D, I'll tell you what. Since getting HDTV, I find myself watching the absolute worst shows ever made simply because they are in HD. When you have HD, anything in standard def is just unacceptable. :P

Posted by Some Guy at 5:25pm on Fri May 19th 2006

Sounds good to me.

Posted by D at 6:07pm on Fri May 19th 2006

I don't think many people are ever going to buy a blu-ray dvd player for their home computer for these reasons... you need a new monitor, you need a new video card, you need a new os, which is windows vista.
so the blu-ray dvd for a computer is like $700 - $1000
video card that works with it, $400-500
monitor that works with it, $400-500
windows vista $300-400

I just bought a new 300gb hard drive for $99 and if I need more storage I buy another drive, and it so much quicker and cheap to back up to a second drive, so you don't need the blu-ray drive and it's $30-40 discs.

Posted by Chris at 8:57pm on Fri May 19th 2006

People looking to buy the PS3 to get their hands on a blu-ray drive might want to hold off for several months as the latest news from the E3 convention that I read was less then spectacular. Right off the bat is the price of the thing, which is just crazy; you can buy a PC for less then what the PS3 will sell for. Of course people will buy it to play PS3 games, and not for watching movies, but for some reason Sony doesn�t have a complete development kit out to game makers yet and, as a result, some third-party companies are either dropping PS3 titles and making 360 versions, or not making early PS3 titles to their full capability.
This means there may be as few as 15 games at launch, and as many as half of them being merely Ok titles.

Waiting will see the price drop as well as better titles reaching store shelves.

Word is Microsoft is going to drastically drop the price on its Xbox 360 a month or so before the PS3 comes out, and the Nintendo Wii is expected to sell for $300 to $400 less then the PS3, depending on which market place you live in.

It's Xbox for me

Posted by Kim at 12:08am on Tue May 23rd 2006

It would help your case if you got the facts straight. In particular, your comments about the audio formats is false. The use the next generation of audio encoding schemes is more than just more possible channels. They are lossless algorithms and therefore much better than existing lossy DD and DTS.

Posted by Mark Waldrep at 5:43pm on Wed May 24th 2006

Mark, while DD and DTS are certainly lossy, they're nowhere near as much as something like MP3, where there is a very noticable difference in quality from "raw" audio, although even then most people don't notice the difference. I dont think going to lossless audio will make any difference to any but the most anal of audiophiles or people with $20,000 speakers...

I stand by my original claim :P
I will edit the article to explain this though, as it is important to some.

Posted by Some Guy at 8:26pm on Wed May 24th 2006

Sorry,
But all you people who are whining about this are doing so because you will have a hard time ripping people off.

I keep hearing about DRM and dongles ect. And how awful they are. When it comes down to it you all are pissed because people are protecting their creations and YOU ALL will have a hard time stealing. Its inevitable that the protection will be hacked. But the point is that the "average" person will have a great level of difficulty attempting to crack or hack the protection schemes.

This site is quite pathetic � not only that there are false facts but it also shows that many consumers are interested in stealing - which re-enforces the reason why there is DRM and many other copy protection schemes in place. I don't work for the movie industry but I do work for a software company. Every time I hear people bitch about dongles I cringe. People bitch because they cant steel easily. People come up with some really lame excuses why copy protection is ruining their lives - boo fucking hoo. Then don�t buy it.

If you don�t want it - don�t buy it. No one is forcing you to do anything. There are options, and those who are interested in better quality, more space, compelling games that are lifelike - far out weigh the whining bitches that complain about copyright protection.

Remember you don�t actually own the movie or software. So loose your sense of entitlement idiots. Your not the king of the world and this site will have no impact on the success that is about to happen with new generation media and distribution technologies.

Let the insults begin. I wont be checking the posts here anyway since this site has no merit. So in advance to those who steal � go fuck yourself and I hope your computer dies soon.

Posted by yo mama at 12:37pm on Thu May 25th 2006

So 'yo mama' thinks I am ripping sony off becuase they are going to make me buy a new video card, monitor and get windows vista if I want to view HD DVD's on my computer.
That is partly what this site is about.
I have kids. They like to play some of 'their' DVD's, like the Muppets. I make copies of them so the Originals don�t get scratched. What is wrong with that? Look at video rentals and DVD sales. People rent, people buy. If you go to rotten tomatoes site you can even get some numbers.
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/
One post here even made a good point that the only person loosing out is the video renting store, and this would only be if the person rented the movie a second time, which as noted would be in the weekly pool by then, and often free with the renting of a new release, at least where I live.
so fuck you, go push yur nose up sony's ass, take a deep breath, and while you are at it, go buy some infected sony music CD's and fuck your system while you are at it.

Posted by Anonymous at 1:33pm on Thu May 25th 2006

If you don�t want it - don�t buy it.

Why do you think I wrote an article about boycotting these products? :)

When it comes down to it you all are pissed because people are protecting their creations and YOU ALL will have a hard time stealing.

I dont understand why people keep thinking this site is promoting "piracy". There is not one thing on this site talking about how much harder it will be to steal these movies, or how upset anyone is about it. Where do you get this stuff? This site has nothing to do with any of that. In fact I've been extra careful to stay completely away from that topic so no one gets any ideas, yet you still accuse me of these things.

The article is well researched and 100% factual. Sure, it's written with a bit of emotion, but unless you have some facts with references to dispute any of my claims, you're just trolling. :P

Posted by Some Guy at 2:01pm on Thu May 25th 2006

Hello Admin/Admis, this Site is realy GOOD, I Would like to Help to translate this Web site in to Spanish. Let me know how can May I help you.

regards
Jonathan

Posted by Jonathan at 10:14pm on Thu May 25th 2006

PCWorld has a list of the 25 worst Tech products in history.
http://www.pcworld.com/reviews/article/0,aid,125772,pg,2,00.asp
Things like Microsoft Windows Millennium (2000)is #4.
Sony BMG Music CDs (2005)is #5.
Microsoft Bob (1995) #7.
Iomega Zip Drive (1998) is #15.
Other flops in their (Dis)Honorable Mention are DiVX DVDs (Not the Divx codec for playing movies), and WebTV. This is a fun read.

Can we add sony's blu-ray to the list one day? I think so. And if HD-DVD isn't careful they could be on the list with them.

Posted by Richard at 2:11pm on Fri May 26th 2006

Jonathon - feel free. It may have already been done though. This site is super popular with Russian- and Spanish-speaking folk, not sure why, but I know that it has already been translated into Russian and is hosted in several places, may have already happened with Spanish also but I haven't seen it yet.

Posted by Some Guy at 2:36pm on Fri May 26th 2006

I watch movies once, yes one time only. Too many movies to see without spending time watching something I've seen before. So I never buy movies, I rent them.
For me DVD is just fine, I could care less about HD and it's 15% better picture.
So looking at it this way, the money I save on not buying a new widescreen TV, I have a 46 inch, which doesn't have the HDMI port, or dropping big bucks on and any of the HD DVD players, I am going to save over $2500.
This means I can rent something like 500 new releases at $5 a pop. And that my friends is alot of movie viewing, basically for free. And I like the sound of that.

Posted by Anonymous at 2:24am on Sat May 27th 2006

so how long till S*ny and others stop releasing on SD DVDs and only release on Blu-ray?

I think the only way to get the message across is to not only boycott these companies / technologies, but SUPPORT independent film producers and alternate distribution methods.

Ok, one other thing, we need more non-big-studio GOOD movies - go make a good movie people! http://www.independentfilms.org/

Posted by checkthegate at 2:54pm on Sat May 27th 2006

i suport this ideia! boyquote now!!

Posted by Rafael Louback Ferraz at 8:59pm on Sat May 27th 2006

I just bought my 42' HDTV not even a year ago. I'm a Playstation fan but i'll bypass all that crap if it means I have to replace my TV. Sony is jocking for world dominace in our homes it won't happend here. I'm sticking with my old DVD's, they still look great IMO and will for a long time.
HD and B-Ray will fail to remove DVD from power because majority rules. Millions of people aren't going to dump what they have now to replace it with dueling formats. I have the 360, i'll pickup the PS3 but for gaming only.

Posted by Tekka at 6:45pm on Sun May 28th 2006

Hey Tekka, I'm in the same boat as you, my TV will not support this blu-ray or hd-dvd machine, and I'm not shopping for another TV.
Now as for game machines, I think the Nintendo Wii kicks-ass. That;s what I am getting.
http://wii.nintendo.com/home.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wii

As for Sony looking for world dominace, they even do that with their mp3 player. Their new one, the sony NWE505, doesn't support WMA files, they even want to control what type of audio files you listen too.

Fuck them.

Posted by Jim at 9:15pm on Sun May 28th 2006

Check this out..
TorrentSpy Accuses MPAA of Hacking

Lawsuit claims the MPAA paid a hacker to steal information from the company.
http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,125902,00.asp

Posted by Jim at 9:16pm on Sun May 28th 2006

For sale, blu-ray player..Sony BDP-S1 - $999.99
http://www.crutchfield.com/S-EebaIJZbHNK/cgi-bin/prodview.asp?i=158BLURAY

Note in the Details:
plays DVD-Video and DVD-R & DVD-RW
DOES NOT play any type of audio CD.

So for $1000 bucks, you might not be able to play your burned mixed music CD's or DVD + & DVD+RW discs?
"What kind of horse-shit is that!!!!!!"

Posted by Anonymous at 9:29pm on Sun May 28th 2006

Recomanar� a tots els meus clients que no apostin per nous formats amb DRM

Posted by Informatic at 5:47pm on Tue May 30th 2006

I agree with the position of your article. I'm not an audiophile, or a videophile, and I don't need bluray, or anything like it. I have no problem paying for the music/video/software I want, but I expect to be able to use it without constantly proving I am not pirating it or worrying that the technology is going to cause me problems as it 'protects itself'. If industry can't find a way to protect their interests and offer me, their paying customer, a convienient and usable product they have a bigger problem.

Posted by toomuch at 2:44am on Sat Jun 3rd 2006

People buy DVD's and will buy HD DVD or Blu Ray to own them. We have downloadable books today but it will NEVER replace the paper. Reading information online is not as pleasurable either. There is a psychological component to having the material in your posession, rather than existing in "The Matrix". When it comes to musi, the physical is not as important. Most people can't even tell the difference in quality. Yet want to people do with those songs they have downloaded? They put them onto players or burn them to discs. What makes it successful is the ability to buy what you want without having to sift through what you do not and the power to have it immediately. Steven Soderburgh marketed his recent movie to release in theatres and on HDTV and DVD at the same time but who the fuck cares? Nothing will replace the experience of going to the theatre on opening night. Let's also take a look at filmmaking: no matter what the frig you do, you will never replace a great director who can creatively compose shots. Just look at the success of M. Night in comparison to other directors. His first two movies made over 1 billion! Visual effects will never replace natural shooting. I like watching animation but not when it tries to be what it shouldn't. That does not mean that it should not be integrated but would you rather have sex with doll or a woman? Everybody has predictions but very few have justification, it's just their feeling which is influenced by their current emotion. Bowflex will never replace weights.

Posted by yumudaskunt at 4:14pm on Sat Jun 3rd 2006

I want a ps3 so not much chance of avoiding blu ray

Posted by bob at 2:56am on Fri Jun 9th 2006

i wont buy that shit, i hate big companies. instead of new and expensive configurations and luxury tech companies should produce the technology more cheaper. they sell us stupid cdplayers for hundred dollars and now we just buy stupid dvds and now hd or blue ray no NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO i say nooooooooo fuck of
LiVE LOnG thePiRATEBAY !
www.piratebay.org

Posted by noway at 3:05am on Sat Jun 10th 2006

please support divx, divx is enough for me and for most of the people who don't have high broadband.
PLEASE support DIVX
Live long The Piratebay
www.piratebay.org

Posted by noway at 3:09am on Sat Jun 10th 2006

I was reading a very informative article on the difference between HD-DVD�s and normal DVD�s. In the article the reviewer noted at HD was on average only %15 better then normal DVD's, but added, that companies can do a better job of mastering and cleaning up �normal� DVD and when that is done, the difference between HD and normal DVD drops to less then %7. He concluded that the high price for the HD players for such a small difference in quality would insure the consumers would pass this technology by, at least for now, and at least until there is a clean winner.

Posted by Alexis at 2:43pm on Sat Jun 10th 2006

Once again Australia gets screwed. With DVDs, despite the fact we are basically an anglo-centric English speaking country we were dumped into Region 4 with Central & South America and now with the High-def formats, we are reportedly being dumped in with China & SE Asia. At least with DVDs it was relatively easy to get a multi-region player & make purchases through Amazon etc, I get the nasty feeling the new formats are going to make that impossible.

Posted by Fats at 9:56pm on Sat Jun 10th 2006

I thought the idea of your site was quite interesting since I am keen to get an understanding on the perceived negative aspects of Blu-Ray and HD-DVD.

After spending a few moments studying your opinions I get the feeling that they may well be ill informed. Anyone who has seen music industry change in the last 5 years will understand the reasoning behind many of the decisions the various bodies have made.

I can only believe that Sony has spent a great amount of time and money studying the various technologies and societies that have brought down their industries.

Our media world is moving fast.

Posted by Tony James at 6:24pm on Thu Jun 15th 2006

Blu-Ray and HD-DVD will most likely fail for these reasons.

1. The millions of HD TV's sold and still being sold that don't the the hook-up Blu-Ray and HD-DVD need for their format, so the picture looks no better then DVD.

2. The 90 million plus computers out there can't play Blu-Ray or HD-DVD movies.

3. There are no video cards for the PC that will play Blu-Ray or HD-DVD movies.

4. I can't find a single monitor that has the Blu-Ray or HD-DVD hook-ups

5. The OS needed for a PC to play the Blu-Ray and HD-DVD movies isn't going to be here until jan. of 2007, maybe later.

6. PS3 is for playing games. If you buy a PS3, do you want to spend $35-40 on a movie, or $80 - $90 on a game, which you play many times over?

7. All Movies not filmed in HD, will not look much better then DVD.

8. Oh and Blu-Ray Sucks.

Posted by Anonymous at 2am on Fri Jun 16th 2006

This coment was so stupid I just had to reply: Quote:
"
As far as HDMI cables go, you are an idiot if you think a $100 cable is going to get you better performace than a $20 one. Its digital!, enough of the Monster marketing!

Posted by T at 11:17pm on Tue Mar 21st 2006 "

.... Of course the quality of the cable is important, it`s not about the digital signal in the cable, it`s about the interference from outside sources ( power cables running along side your HDMI cables ) that`s the problems. The more expensive cables are " Shielded " better and have less signal loss over long distances. People like this shouldn`t make comments about stuff they have no idea.

I`m a movie freak, 900 DVD, homecinema.... bla, bla, bla.... but I won`t be buying either HD-DVD or BlueRay.... think the industry is in BIG trouble. Sell your Sony shares now, before it`s to late.

.... and for those assholes that are going to Comment about any spelling or grammar errors, just shut T.F.Up, English is not my native tongue..... you try writing a comment in Russian or Japanese or even French.

Posted by Dario at 7:48am on Fri Jun 16th 2006

I really agree with your article. Every day i am asking myself how i am able to tell this truth to anybody else in the world. The most people I know do not have any interest in this stuff, they just buy it :(

Posted by Erdie at 5:15pm on Fri Jun 16th 2006

(This posted on a board by D A Williams. ) First look. Toshiba HD-A1.
My major problem with my new Toshiba is the constant lock-ups and picture freezes. Every one of my discs, brand new out of the box, freeze at some point in play back. Sometimes the lock-up lasts just a minute and restarts. Most often, the entire unit locks up and requires that I manually turn off the unit by holding the off button for 10 seconds. I then must wait for the player to reboot and then attempt to pass through the freeze point again. This is a five/ten minute process that usually results in the same problem. All six of my discs are locking up and I have yet to watch an entire movie.

What is up with the remote control?? Almost impossible to use in a darken room. I must either leave the room to find a button or turn on the lights. My other Toshiba players use very simple, easy to use, formats that I can handle day or night.
Nice going Toshiba.

Posted by Allen Stein at 2:27am on Tue Jun 20th 2006

After reading all this my comment is, re-using HD-DVD with a computer, Anyone who's recently spent $500 on a state-of-the-art video card and/or a $1000 on a wide screen monitor deserves better.

Posted by Anonymous at 1:54pm on Wed Jun 21st 2006

"Patenting technology and monopolizing the market and
hindering creativity" is wrong, but unfortunately legal.
Patenting fur is wrong. As far as I can see Dolby does not
own the technology though they may have come up with a
half-assed, overpriced version of it. I do not talk through
my ass, but I and the lot of consumers are certainly being
made one, cause an individual is smart, the collective and
the mob, and the public in general is stupid, just noting consumer behaviour. It does take a bit of courage and
integrity and inner stuff to stand up for the right thing.

Posted by sundaresh at 12:51pm on Fri Jun 23rd 2006

Bitching about everything isn't going to get a lot done. Rejecting both formats will get us nowhere.

I think we don't have a lot of control over a lot of the decisions that have already been made about the future formats. They're both coming. Maybe both will faill, but I have a feeling it will definitely be one or the other. I don't think the industry can hold two; obviously drawing from the VHS vs. Beta situation.

I think what we CAN do is make a choice. Which format do we want to succeed? Which do we want to fail? I think we can start a grassroots movement to educate consumers and topple the format we choose to lose. Which format should it be? I vote we ignore Blu Ray, and help HDDVD succeed.

Why?

I think HDDVD is more consumer friendly. I don't think the extra capacity of Blu Ray is necessary (which seems like the only real benefit of the platform) for the same reason the article states HDDVDs aren't necessary -- compression is getting really good, and will only get better.

I just think that instead of saying "Both formats blow!" we should choose the lesser of two evils (sounds like politics!) and use what power we have to sway our peers into voting HDDVD into power.

Posted by AHH at 6:50pm on Fri Jun 23rd 2006

For AHH, I think we should hope for both formats failing because of the over the top AACS-DRM. Most people, and I mean over 95% don't have clue as to how to even make a copy of a DVD right now, so the AACS-DRM they have in place is a smoke screen. They are setting it up so that I can't play a movie I bought on a friends HD-DVD or Blu-ray player. Maybe that not the case this very second, but it's coming. It all about sales, and making us pay over and over again.
If they both fail, and billions are lost, then, and only then will they wake up, and give us a format that fits with this day and age.
Both HD-DVD and Blu-ray will sell lots of players at first, but if sales fall and go flat after that, that the killer. If Sony is selling PS3 at a lose to get blu-ray out there, and the same thing happens, sales fall off, that and even bigger lose then even losing the format war. It's all money they can never win back.
Plus nothing in my home will work with HD-DVD or Blu-ray, not my wide screen TV, not my year old computer, and I have an Xbox 360. So I'll be waiting for something better then the crap these guys are trying to feed us.

Posted by Carl your doorman at 2:07am on Sat Jun 24th 2006

MS says no to Xbox 360 Blu-ray support.
Microsoft, The software giant this week said it remains "fully committed" to HD DVD and has "absolutely no plans to support other optical formats".

I think if MS doesn't want blu-ray in the market place, then Sony is going to have problems.

Posted by Sam S at 4:32pm on Sun Jun 25th 2006

I wonder if anyone can answer this. Sony wants to sell a blu-ray set top player for your living room TV at a cost of $1000 US, but will sell two formats of PS3, one for $500, the other for $700 US ($$$ price numbers still yet to be set I know)
Still, why would you pay $1000, when you get get it for $700?
Will this not kill off the set top player?

Will games just go for the cheaper model so they can get two or three games, and not worry about HDTV, and the people wanting HDTV will get the top end PS3 and not bother with any games for it.

And what about this kick-ass Nintendo Wii (Revolution) and the game Red Steel that comes with it? Now that's a gaming system.

Posted by Ty at 7:39pm on Thu Jul 13th 2006

A boycott would be an overreaction.
If you can't afford it, you just don't buy it.
If you don't need it, you don't have to boycott it.

Posted by groundctrl at 3:16am on Fri Jul 14th 2006

A boycut would be nice to have for something like this - but utterly unrealistic. The majority of people who will buy these devices are average consumers. Average consumers do not care much about what they get, as long as it works.

This is quite different from buying a car or a fridge however, and it might be possible (dependent on the cultural situation) that people might actually start a boycut. This would likely not be possible untill after they bought their devices and realized that they can't make copies of their movies (backup for example - which is ALWAYS legal).

Posted by Clearer at 8:57pm on Sat Jul 15th 2006

You have several cogent points. However, Mpeg 4 doesn't deliver it's quality benefits over Mpeg 2 above 1.8 Mbps. According to manufacturers tech support groups like Avid's Pinnacle Broadcast group, the Mpeg 4 standard was really assembled to allow Sat operators to squeeze ever more revenue from existing bandwidth. when you encode MPeg 2 and Mpeg 4 below 1.8 Mbps, the quality of both suffers, but apparently, retail stores, and Satellite operators just don't care. The quality I've seen lately of Direct TV and DISH downlink displays on even high PLasmas is horrrible. But the operators of the satellites justify it on the ability to double up the number of channels they can now stream. Money, money, money. You want true HD? Stream bit rates of SDI are 360Mbps with four groups of AES audio. HD is 1.25 Gbps. What do you think happens when DirecTV crushes that amount of data down to 1.8Mbps or lower??

Posted by wayno at 9:37am on Thu Jul 20th 2006

Seriously, why do you care if some people want to watch movies with clearer picture? How does it affect you? If you don't want,then don't. I think this article was written by a person with not very much money that doesn't have an HDTV, and therefore, for whatever weird mreason, hates all people that DO have HDTV's. You are all obviously frustrated with the fact that cannot watch HD-DVD's and are taking your frustration out in un-usual, and in this case, very suprising, ways. You are all troubled, spiteful people who believe that if YOU can't have something, then no one should.

Posted by Rational Thinking at 7:49pm on Sat Jul 22nd 2006

I quote from one person on this site; "... but will sell two formats of PS3, one for $500, the other for $700 US ($$$ price numbers still yet to be set I know)"

Get your facts straight. The format that will sell for $500 is a 20GB, less powerful model. The one that will sell for $600 (Not $700) will be a 60GB, much more powerful model. So what is so bad about two different models? Nothing.

Posted by Rational Thinking at 7:54pm on Sat Jul 22nd 2006

Hey Rational Thinking, your the dummy here. Have you read the main page articles? or just the comment pages?

It's not about a "clearer picture" on your HDTV, it's about who and how it's controlled.
Millions of HDTV sets are on the market and have been sold for years, and most of these millions of HDTV's don't have the hook-up you need to watch the sony blu-ray HDTV movies.
That means, all these people can't watch HDTV movies from sony if they win this formant battle, unless they shell out more cash to buy another HDTV, when the HDTV set they have now is not even a year old.

As for the PS3, check Wikipedia, * Prices and release dates subject to change*
and the cheaper model does not have, a Built-in flash card reader, Built-in Wi-Fi connectivity, HDMI port, so this cheaper model can't even play High-Definition Multimedia Interface blu-ray movie. That's a lot more then just the difference between a 20 and a 60 GB hard-drive.
So you, "Get your facts straight."

Posted by Jim at 1:23am on Sun Jul 23rd 2006

Based on what I have read to-date, I get a feeling that neither HD-DVD or Blu-Ray will capture a large market share. Certainly not close to the customer acceptance that DVD has achieved over the past 2-3 years. The formats seem too intrusive with not enough upgrade over DVD per dollar spent to achieve it. I think it is going to take a rapid drop in price on the hardware combined with low cost availability of new and old movies before either format will become something more than a videophiles wetdream.
Obviously DVD had the same obstacles to overcome and is now in over 80% of all households, but as this article has already stated, the upgrade from VHS to DVD, is far greater than the upgrade from DVD to HD-DVD or Blu-Ray.

Lastly when DVD started to gather acceptance 5-6 years ago, their was no main competition or threat of impending formats on the horizen, to compete for the consumers attention. Today that is not so, their are other formats that could replace either HD-DVD or Blu-Ray, using a fraction of the disc space, while keeping perhaps 99% of the video quality. These competing formats could easily be integrated into hardware players that would sell in that sweet spot price that gets cash registers humming, plus be playable on most HDTV or monitors, without the need for further expensive upgrades.

The only drawback and it is a huge one, is the movie studios, would not go for any new format that did not provide maximum protection from piracy, or could allow cuts into their profits in any way. Fortunately the chip makers and hardware providers will make anything that sells, even if they know their products will be used to aid piracy, i.e. mp3 players and DiVX DVD players. In the movie industry the studios set the agenda,and unfortunately they would rather gouge a smaller number of people for maximum profit, than find a new business model, that brings in not just maximum profits, but the maximum number of happy customers, that will tell 2 friends and so on,and so on, and so on.

Personally I have seen the immediate future of Hi-Def video at low cost and low disc space,and its name is H264/AVC. Mind blowing quality at relatively very small video size.

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Posted by Penis Enlargement at 12:10pm on Wed Jul 26th 2006

Hey, Sony! Get off your high horse!

They think everyone is going to fall for their latest technology and will pay any outrageous amount they put out there. Blu-ray player $1000 vs. HD-DVD $500 same laser but slightly more memory on disc and for what? How much memory do you actually really need? If you like being raped and ripped off by Sony by all means buy a Blu-ray player. I love the way Sony at E3 said that the next generation dosen't start until they say it does! Sony's PS3? Dosen't look like it will be any better than XBOX 360 at this point. Free online service for PS3, hah! They changed their minds AFTER they announced it would be free, come on they're Sony they want your money, even for their losing format of UMD movies for their PSP that people fell for.

Another couple of rumors of Blu-ray disc movies that some movies are not even Hi-def but are Enhanced definition, along with making movie companies pay a very small pecentage just to put their films on a Blu-ray disc. Even motion picture companies are getting jipped. Sony is sounding more and more like a modern day Roman tax collector on a much larger scale. I won't be suckered into their game, will you?

Posted by Big Gabe at 11:53pm on Fri Jul 28th 2006

i'm convinced i should wait it out.
count me in.

Posted by anon at 2:32pm on Fri Aug 4th 2006

you know of course that all this scripting thats going to be implemented is just going to wind up as advertisments. its not for special features or added content or anything that in anyway makes just the movie itself better, its all about control and forcing propriatary formats on the masses and increasing market share.
Just once i'd like to see a single selfless act from a major corperation.

I know i sound like a fool or uninformed on these subjects but try just to get the jist of my message not the literal wording.

Posted by anon at 2:37pm on Fri Aug 4th 2006

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Posted by Sami at 2:17am on Sun Aug 6th 2006

This Blue-ray HD DVD is all crap it's a solution to a problem invented by the media companies when they introduced digital TV.

The old CRT TVs didn't have the'jaggies' on curved edges, this was 'introduced' by digital televisions and now they have 'fixed' the problem with HD TVs. The only reason HD TVs look better is because of the large size screens.

So it was 'buy this shiny new digital TV' Ker-Ching!
'buy this new shiny HD TV for a better picture' Ker-ching!
'buy this Blue-ray/HD DVD for you HD TV' Ker-ching!
ad-infinitum.......

Posted by 20/20 Vision at 9:39am on Mon Aug 7th 2006

"...Management, supported by Intel, IBM, Microsoft and SONY, are an outrageous attack on your freedom. Th..."

IBM isn't a corporate patron of FSF ?????....

Posted by Dna at 10:41pm on Wed Aug 9th 2006

This is how I see it. I've got an HDTV which actually has HDMI. I've also got an Xbox 360 so I don't see myself getting a ps3. The prices I've seen have been blu-ray player: $1000, HD DVD player: $500, ps3 (which includes a blu-ray player): $499/$599, xbox 360: $299/$399, external HD DVD player for xbox 360: $200? With that said an xbox 360 with HD DVD player costs $600 (assuming you get the better version, which if you get an xbox 360 that's the version you'll want). That's the same price as the better version of the ps3. I don't see why anyone would get the blu-ray stand alone player which costs $400 more than the ps3 and does less. I think the choice as what to get is pretty obvious for myself: just get the HD DVD add-on for the 360, it's the cheapest way to watch HD movies. If anyone sees anything wrong with my logic I would appreciate some feedback.

Posted by Matt at 2:20am on Thu Aug 10th 2006

this months Populare Mechanics (Sept)
has a short write-up on the first dedicated blu-ray player, the Samsung BD-P1000
$1000 US, (without your local Tax added in)
This is some of what was said.

Hardware Issues.
"It took 30 seconds to load a blu-ray disc, and 6 seconds to skip from one chapter to the next. If that doesn't sound like much, try counting to 30 while staring at a blank screen. Now imagine paying over $1000 for that privilege."

Image Quality of other DVD's.
"We watched scenes from Hitch, Memento and XXX at 1080p resolution... All three films looked surprisingly grainy."

Bottom Line.
"Don't bother enlisting in their format war yet - even early adopters should wait..."

Posted by Bob West at 2:11pm on Fri Aug 11th 2006

Three words: Versatile Multilayer Disc. It uses a red laser and can have up to 20 layers that are each 5GB. The players which are basically DVD players with some small modifications will cost about $150 and be compatible with DVD and CD. The discs can be produced with DVD slightly modified DVD manufacturing equipment and cost a few cents more to manufacture than DVD's. VMD can also be manufactured for use with blue lasers (if they ever become cost effective) for increased storage capacity. Currently the main markets will be in Asia (except for Japan, of course); in all probability, we in the U.S. will miss out on this cost effective and perfectly adequate HD capable format because Hollywood isn't likly to support it.

Posted by Anonymous at 5:33pm on Fri Aug 11th 2006

To the above post "we in the U.S. will miss out on this cost effective and perfectly adequate HD capable format because Hollywood isn't likly to support it"
If the Porn Industry supports it, and they like "Cheaper" then we will get it.
PS: The Porn Industry makes more money then Hollywood.
And really, Who really needs blu-ray at $1000 a pop?

Posted by Sky at 6:33pm on Sat Aug 12th 2006

"If you don�t want it - don�t buy it.

Why do you think I wrote an article about boycotting these products? :)"

Is it because you think only your opinion matters?

People who just bought TV's with only analogue inputs or digital inputs without DRM compatibility, that might be why it was cheaper. This isn't something new, it's been known for years to get one with HDMI/HDCP. The early adopters wanted their TV's early and are ready to buy a new one now. I'm still using my 22 year old 4:3 TV with mono sound, but I'm about ready to replace it now.

Manufacturing cost is irrelevant to the cost you pay, get over it. Everything you buy has a much lower manufacturing cost than you think. If I spend a million dollars designing something that I can then make for one dollar and expect to sell one hundred thousand of them, how much do you think you should pay for it? I bet you think everyone should work for free designing and distributing products and you should get it for one dollar.

CD/DVD was a free playground for pirates, if it had just been people copying them for their own use then nothing would have happened. MP3 sites, people jumping around saying how cool they were for cracking DVD and then pirate DVD's turning up everywhere are what has ruined it for everyone. If you were watching your company go down the tubes then you'd have a similar knee jerk reaction to the problem.

Without the music/movie industry spending loads of money on producing, manufacturing and distributing content then you wouldn't be able to enjoy it. If you don't support them and steal from them instead, then they will either stop or have to charge decent law abiding people more. Why should I have to pay more because of all the cheap skates who think everyone owes them a living?

I'll give you a big shock here, it's a bit of a secret so keep it on the down low... After Blu-Ray there will be other formats and they'll "force" you to buy all the movies over again. Even when you get to download them over the internet, they'll make you pay again when you get a holographic tv. It won't happen for a while, because it costs a heck of a lot of money to ramp up for a new format.

HDTV is costing a fortune for TV & Movie companies. Everything from the equipment, to props, sets and makeup are all having to be revamped. Low cost TV programs are going to be the worse hit. They tend to use hastily painted backdrops, which because of the low definition of TV you don't notice. With HDTV you'll see every little blemish. If you've ever been on a movie or tv set you'll realise just how rubbish they look, to make it look better costs more money. Money has to come from somewhere.

If you don't like progress, then go watch some tv from the 40's.

Phill

Posted by Phill W at 4:20am on Sun Aug 13th 2006

"I think if MS doesn't want blu-ray in the market place, then Sony is going to have problems."

Is that the same Microsoft that said ten years ago that they wouldn't support the internet?

They're obviously not going to show support for Blu-Ray yet. They'll only give money to the competition if they have to.

Selling a new format is always difficult. When the transition was made from vinyl to cd & vhs to dvd there were always people who were willing to bitch about the new stuff and say how much better the old stuff was. It's going to be more expensive as they have to use a format change as a way of putting the price up. The price of Vinyl and Vhs didn't go up in line with inflation because they couldn't risk a drop in sales, but if people are getting something more then they can be pursuaded to pay more.

Phill

Posted by Phill W at 4:33am on Sun Aug 13th 2006

"and the cheaper model does not have, a Built-in flash card reader, Built-in Wi-Fi connectivity, HDMI port, so this cheaper model can't even play High-Definition Multimedia Interface blu-ray movie. That's a lot more then just the difference between a 20 and a 60 GB hard-drive."

If you're going to trust wikipedia then at least don't just cherry pick the bits you want..

"According to German publisher Spiegel, a behind-the-scenes agreement was made to not enforce the ICT flag on next-generation optical formats until at least 2010, or possibly even 2012.[8]"

Yes they could enforce it at any time, but don't you think their decision could be affected if the majority of people stop buying movies because they can't play them?

I guess the problem is everyone is scared they are going to be in the minority of people that are left unable to buy new movies.

Fear, uncertainty & doubt ( FUD ) is the most effective way of destroying something good. Microsoft do it all the time. This site is pretty good at it too. Wikipedia has a page on that too... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FUD

Phill

Posted by Phill W at 4:42am on Sun Aug 13th 2006

Just saw this site. I have to admit I was shocked at the emotions expressed. So let me throw my 2 cents into the ring.

1) Nobody is forcing anybody to buy into this technology.

2) I do agree that only a very few people have the hardware to fully appreciate high def DVD. a 27" TV ain't gonna do it. And you really need to calibrate your TV/Projector - which most people don't do. That being said large images are NOT that expensive anymore. For about $2k you can buy a decent front projector and show it on the wall and get an incredible 106" widescreen image. For about $200 more you can get a nice 106" screen. A lot less than most plasmas. This is when you start noticing the difference between SD DVD and a GOOD mastered HD DVD. The problem is that good mastering is not guarenteed so we will have to wait and see how the studios do. Unfortunately, poor blue ray discs have sullied the whole high def potential - and this format war DOES suck.

But count me in on the few # of people that want the best PQ possible for my system. (If I could afford it)

3) Enhanced audio is nice, but I think most people are probably concerned about video quality than audio, so not sure this is really a deciding factor.

4) I think people may be losing sight of the fact that HD DVD players, for example, can play EXISTING DVD's and display them at slightly better picture quality. I know for a fact that some people are buying the Toshiba just as a good upconverting player for their SD - regardless if they plan on buying into high def. for them, HD DVD is an easy step to getting the best PQ they can for the movies they love.

So eventually I am not sure any of this will mean much. In a year or 2, the new players could possibly be only high def players (hopefully at a reduced price), and people can use them as their 1st DVD player, additional player, or an upgrade if they wish.

In regards to the issue of not showing the highest PQ via analog - that has already been adressed. While the studios CAN do this, it is highly doubtful that they will since they pissed so many people off just talking about it. So far none of the discs released will be using this feature. Kind of like the multiple angle feature on SD DVDs - how many movies do you have that use that feature?

Anyway, I hate this format war and really wish it was over so we can concentrate on driving the price down of the next generation players that we can all buy and love.

I have thought about boycotting this until the war is over, but since I am broke my bank account has decided this for me. : )

remember - this is only technology folks! There are REAL wars going on and no matter what your politics are, real people are dying. Let's keep things in perspective, okay?

Peace to everyone

Posted by Lurker at 10:33am on Tue Aug 15th 2006

I bought a new 52 inch wide screen TV 6 months ago, and it has one HDMI port which I have my cable box hook too so I can watch HD-TV, but as it only has one HDMI port I can't hook up a HD-DVD player. If I needed too, I would have to pay $550 bucks for a Purelink HDS-41R, which has 4 hookups.
So how come Sony and others didn't talk to the makers of widescreen TV's to make sure you could hook more then one item?
Did Sony and others think they were the only game in town?
I'm not buying this over priced hookup option, and I sure am not buying another TV, so I don't care who wins this format war, I'm never getting a hd-dvd or blueray player as their forward thinking sucks.
If I could hook a HD-DVD to make TV like I do my normal DVD player then this wouldn't be any problem at all, I feel this problem has been made by Sony.

Posted by Gary P at 2:20pm on Tue Aug 15th 2006

Why would I want to fork over more money for a blue ray or HD copy of a foreign movie (see House of flying daggers) that has been edited and butchered. I don't see it happening anytime soon to the shaw brothers films or any other asian movie other than the re-released tone down crap by hollywood. I'll continue to boycott hollywood's inferior garbage.

Posted by Jin at 12:39am on Wed Aug 16th 2006

I've noticed that people here talk about superior resolutions and audio (more columns and stuff like that). But that is only publicity, because if people just think a little bit, we don't need that and the reason is the human body. We can only see a couple of million colors (wich now i can't recall) and a certain resolution, also our ears would not know the diference about 7 , 13 or even 5 columns.
So why do we need blu-ray or hd-dvd????
Upgrade your body if you want to feel all the advantages they may offer... :P

Lapt0pd0g out!

Posted by Lapt0pd0g at 7:28am on Wed Aug 16th 2006

Hello
Your posting listed interesting points about hi-def discs. I think what we are seeing is a form of weighting the waters here. Back in 1999 the early roll out of dvd we had circuit city divx rental online modem to pay per view discs. Of course the format fell flat on its face. The exact people who did this were the player's machine makers in hollywood's back pocket.
I will by the looks of things no doubt boycott a HD-DVD player purchase. Blu Ray will take alwhile longer to find out about I will not run out and buy the first $1000.00 player from sony on the first day it comes out no way. I do believe the storage abilities of the blu ray will make it the winner of the two.

Posted by bob at 4:57pm on Thu Aug 17th 2006

I can honestly say I don't care about any of the points you made. I can't stand people who decide to reject newer better tech because they've "invested too much" in older stuff. All you're doing by hanging onto the past is hindering the future. If you have a TV that doesn't support HD, you don't care because you won't be able to watch HD content anyway. If you have an HDTV that doesn't have HDMI, you're either an early adopter and won't mind spending ridiculous amounts of money for the latest and greatest, or you've made an uninformed purchase and/or you lack patience. In any case, it's your fault if this is a problem for you. I don't usually buy bleeding edge technology, and I very rarely purchase anything on a whim. I do, however, love new technology, and see the value of investing in it as much as I can. In this particular instance I want blu-ray to win because it is technically superior. It can hold more data, and has a good bandwidth, that is all I need to know (though not nearly all I do know) to make my decision. It won't matter either way, I have an Xbox360, and will inevitably pick up the HD-DVD player when it comes out, and I will also have a PS3 (as well as a Wii for what it's worth). But if HD-DVD wins, despite being perfectly capable of playing them, or if both formats fail, I will consider it a huge loss and a waste of a great opportunity. Blu-ray will also be a great storage medium, especially at 200GB. I have many terabytes of data, and dual layer DVD's do not cut it for backups. Also, I'd like to point out that the only reason to call for a boycott (as opposed to just not spending your own money on a product) is because you are afraid it will succeed, and what then? People may have things that are better than what you have? And cut all the "Hollywood is evil" crap. Hollywood exists to make money, they make a product that they want you to pay for. Pay for it and enjoy it, or don't pay for it and don't have it. It's really as simple as that. Movies are not so expensive that it's even worth your time making backups; unless, of course, you don't take care of the things you buy? If that is the case why do you care enough to back them up? Speaking personally, even if it was easy to copy movies, even if the studios themselves provided the tools to me, I still wouldn't back up my movies. It's just not worth the time and effort that can easily be made up for with a little care in handling. Besides, pressed media (CD's, DVD's, etc) lasts longer than burned media anyway. The cd's I bought way back in highschool still work just fine; most of the copies I made of them over the years don't. What good is a backup if the original outlasts it? Especially when the original is worth less than $20. The higher quality picture and sound is well worth the price of not being able to do something I'm not going to waste my time doing anyway. I can't wait for the day when I can connect all of my AV equipment together with a single type of cable (HDMI) and enjoy HD video and audio without a glitch, and all you seem to want to do is delay that. They're having enough trouble getting it right as it is without people trying to scare each other off. It's technology, not magic. The "old ways" are not best, they are only "old".

Posted by tim at 5:14pm on Thu Aug 17th 2006

good post tim. Even though I disagree as to which format to go with I still agree with you that boycotting is just delaying the inevitable. Whichever format wins it will be better than DVDs. If you don't want it now just don't get it now.

Posted by Matt at 11:59pm on Thu Aug 17th 2006

Hey Tim you say in part, "If you have a TV that doesn't support HD, you don't care because you won't be able to watch HD content anyway. If you have an HDTV that doesn't have HDMI, you're either an early adopter..."
But really even if you forget the talk about a boycot or want to wait for a winner in this format war, the real issue here is Sony and other players are leaving millions and millions of people out of the loop as even today Sony is selling NEW HD TV's without a HDMI connection.
So these formats may fail just because people will not drop $500 to $1000 on a player and another $1000 - $3000 on a new HD-TV with HDMI to see a DVD that has a picture thats not all that much better then they watch now.

Posted by Gary at 12:30am on Fri Aug 18th 2006

YOU suck.
THIS SITE sucks.
One of these formats will win a war and lead the future.
You can suck a dick cuz no one cares what you think.
Blu-ray already has over 90% of the movie and music industries behind them. People who are a million times as powerful as your dumbass.

Posted by Your Mom. at 11:44am on Mon Aug 21st 2006

You are a douche bag. I bet you'll buy a blu-ray player some day, and I hope on that day you'll realize how much of a douche bag you really are. God I hate you.

Posted by Some Other Guy at 7:29am on Tue Aug 22nd 2006

i am agree with you in almost all things.
The principal problem is DRM and the obligation of use HDMI to view the movien in HD.
i wait a lot, to view ho win the batle, and then, i decide.

Posted by Ezequiel at 2:25pm on Sat Aug 26th 2006

I completely agree that these new formats should be ignored and detested. They are phoney and unecessary. I say fuck them all!!! I will stick with my standard dvd`s forever.

Posted by mr_velvetvoice at 5:29pm on Sat Aug 26th 2006

I was as pissed off as you are when it was announced that DVD would have virtually uncracable region protection.

However, I am on my second DVD player that will play all DVDs from any region. And guess what? In both cases the manufacturers made it very easy to modify the player simply using the remote (one a haxxored remote and the other its own remote).

I�m not worried, it isn�t in the manufacturer�s interest to fuck with the public, just wait a while till the competition hots up and there will be plenty of players where its easy to circumvent all the protection.

Posted by Suppa at 6:11am on Wed Aug 30th 2006

It's funny... even music CDs are seeing re-re-releases with 5.1 surround sound and so forth. Music is starting to take the lesson from all this HD-DVD stuff too. Give it a year and we'll have HD-CDs too.

Posted by Jimmy at 7:28pm on Wed Sep 6th 2006

Blah, blah, blah.

Unfortunately, no matter what we argue, and what us unenlightened people say about DRM, RIAA, MPAA, etc, the sheep that are the common folk are going to buy this shit up like it's the antidote or something.

I haven't purchased a CD since 2001 since those scumsuckers at the MPAA started suing their customers. I have, however, been to ~200 concerts, and continue to go to them, as well as buy CDs off of artists who aren't members of the RIAA (they do exist).

I won't buy DRM'd products. Fuck them.

But, as I said, we mean nothing to those people (obviously). They still spend more on their dinner than we make in a week, they still drive nice cars, and have nice houses, and make gajillions of dollars while they do stupid things that pisses off their customers, because the sheep still buy their shit.

Our society is filled with people who buy CDs from people who sue them, watch television shows starring Paris Hilton, listen to bands that have no talent, but are shoved down their throats, vote for presidents whose sole campaign was built on changing the meaning of words to fit their means (ie making liberal a bad word), drive gas guzzling SUVs, live in pre-fab neighbourhoods, and have completely bastardised our society as it sits while they have the gall to comment on "kids today".

They will all be at Best Buy, Future Shop, Target, whatever, buying this shit up like candy. I won't be there, but the MPAA, RIAA, etc, don't care about me. I've come to terms with it.

Posted by dnm at 4:24pm on Thu Sep 7th 2006

You know, what annoys me the most about the opinions presented here is the same thing that has annoyed me for the past several years concerning this argument: People referring to THEMSELVES as "consumers."

Think about that word for a minute. Consumer. One who consumes. An object in space whose sole purpose is to suck up music, movies, gasoline, fashion, junk food, and whatever else comes within its reach from the comfort of its bought-on-credit sofa. That is how Sony, Microsoft, the RI/MPAA, and the rest of the corporate world see you. They want you fat, dumb, complacent, and in debt.

And that may be enough for some people. Undoubtedly, one of these two formats will "win," and the couch potatoes will gobble them up by the millions. And a group of them will figure out a way around the shackles of whatever DRM is imposed on it, and congratulate themselves for sticking it to the "content industry."

Well, guess what: I'm not just a consumer. Music and film is more than just content. And if you want something done right, do it yourself.

You can say, "screw (company x), I'm going to support (company y) instead, because they don't (make/support/license evil technology z). And besides, it's cheaper."

OR... you can stick it to both of them, get your hands on a few simple tools, and go make your own "content."

Buy a MiniDV camcorder and get some editing software and go make a movie. Grab a cheap guitar and amp combo and make some noise in your garage. Either one is WAY cheaper than an HDTV, and you can use them however you want, for as long as you want.

"But I don't have the talent!" you're saying. Bullshit. Look at the dreck coming out of the major music labels and film studios today. My cat could do better. All it takes is a little basic skill, and if you can memorize all that crap about formats and resolutions of someone else's proprietary system, you can learn a few guitar chords and camera angles. It's nowhere near as hard as they'd have you believe.

No, you won't get rich doing it. In fact, you'll probably never make a dime. But who cares? Someone will think you're cool for doing it, and that's about the greatest feeling in the world. And if the "right" person thinks you're cool, it might get you laid, too...

Why do you need the latest, newest, shiniest one of something, anyway? Who is it going to impress? Stop sitting there gobbling up whatever they put in front of you, and GO MAKE SOMETHING!

Posted by mark at 6:37pm on Thu Sep 7th 2006

quote]I�m sure Sony checked this site to see what people are saying, if they are not they truly are idiots. You should always know what your consumers are thinking. Companies spend big bucks for that type of information.[/quote]

If sony and other companies cared what we thought we wouldn't be having this discussion. It's sad that hollywood and others in the music industry are so blinded by greed its sad. If they would spend time putting out a better product and preserving the past by giving us real HD movies.....they would in the long run make more money.

But all of us are Pirates in the minds of greedy executives. They are so happy the cassette era is over im sure. I mean I would only record my records to tape so I wouldn't ruin them. Presently they want the power to disable your ability to watch or listen to an original copy. :( Sad times.

Posted by Anonymous at 7:31pm on Thu Sep 7th 2006

PS3 European Launch Delayed - Update
Delay and Shortage

According to the Herald Tribune Sony's U.S. and Japan PlayStation 3 launch will be a modest affair with a total of 500,000 units for both territories.

The newspaper reports that although Sony has vowed to deliver the 6 million units it promised by March 2007, it will have to reduce the launch quantities dramatically. The U.S. is likely to see 400,000 units by 17 November, 2006 while Japan will have to make do with 100,000 on 11 November. If he story is correct, Sony is taking a risk and may alienate its home fans who will have to queue for hours and against the odds in order to get their hands on a PS3 console.

The shortages are a result of a production problem involving the Blu-Ray component of the PS3. Sony's Ken Kutaragi said, We decided to focus on the Japanese and U.S. markets, I am so sorry not to be able to answer to all the expectations.

Mr. Kutaragi also made it clear that Sony will not make its initial 4 million units by the end of 2006 target. Instead, he commented, the number of units shipped in 2006 is likely to fall to 2 million.

Mr. Kutaragi refused to reveal the exact European launch date for PS3, stating that it is likely to be in early March.

Posted by Anonymous at 12:23am on Fri Sep 8th 2006

Sony's European Woes

Sony has officially confirmed that the European launch of the PS3 will be delayed to March 2007 due, mainly, to Blu-ray shortages.

Sony Computer Entertainment Europe (SCEE) announced that it would revise the launch date of its PlayStation 3 in the PAL territories of Europe, Russia, Middle East, Africa and Australasia from 17th November 2006, as previously announced to March 2007.

Launch dates for Japan and North America will remain the same, which are November 11th and November 17th respectively.

The revision of the launch date in the SCEE territories is caused by the delay in the mass production schedule of the blue laser diode within the Sony Group, thus affecting the timely procurement of key components to be utilised in PLAYSTATION 3.

The previously announced PS 3 shipment forecast of 6 million units globally within the fiscal year ending 2007 is not changed.

Microsoft's Xbox UK boss Neil Thompson, was eager to comment on the PS3 delay to GamesIndustry claiming, we know how challenging it is to pull off a global launch, so it's not surprising that Sony has backed away from their previously announced launch plan, due to the unproven technology they are trying to pack in to their console. This seems to be the first victory for HD-DVD in its battle with Sony's Blu-Ray format.

Posted by Anonymous at 12:24am on Fri Sep 8th 2006

I believe HD-DVD and Blu Ray will get to very slow start. A couple of years after that and it will kick off. Why?

2-3 years ago 80GB HDD's were the convienent when using them for servers. Now in 2006 80GB is laughable. Today 500GB or more does the job...for now.

Sure, theres no big diffence (except the capacity) between DVD vs HD-DVD vs Bluray but in 2 years or so, everyone just going to have to adopt it. More power+speed, means more demand for storage, it's that simple....

Take a look at Moore's Law, electrical consumer products, computers, HDD's, CPU's etc, every 18 months the speed, power, capacity etc it doubles and doubles again...think about it.....

10 years or more maybe these formats will die, holographic media tech will come into play and holographic tv's be the new craze. all viewers regardless of your viewing angle will be able to view what their watching as if they were facing the tv directly, face to face. Anyone see Minority report? something like that!

Business/corporations wouldn't mind converting to blu-ray media for backup purposes, they don't mind, they don't even care how much it will cost, all they want is solutions!

Im happy with DVD for now...later on i'd probably want more storage space.Imagine having all seasons of Simpsons or Stargate or House M.D or some long running tv programme fitting into 1 or 2 blu ray discs. how convienent is that!

It would be stupid to say Blu-ray will fail. Maybe 1 to 3 years, it might pick up, not because of the promised quality of picture and sound blu-ray will offer but the storage capacity.

Posted by Antigonus at 10:40am on Fri Sep 8th 2006

I'll just wait until someone converts BR and HD-DVD titles to DVDR and I'll download them for The Pirate Bay.

Posted by Capo at 11:03am on Fri Sep 8th 2006

I am always amazed by the number of people who can't read an article and interprate it in the way it was intended.

I am sure this Author was being earnest when he wrote this thing. By the looks of it he made quite an effort in its creation.

He makes valid points in all of his arguments as well.

A thousand dollars for a DVD player and you call someone who spends a Hundred for quality cables a "Tard". Who's the real Tard, after spending quality $ for the payer and then skimping on the delivery of the signal to your display and sound system? Why that would be the TARD who said it!

13 Speakers, just because you have the bandwidth? Quantity really has nothing to do with quality!

These new blu-ray and HD players are very expensive there is no doubt. A player that up converts to near HD quality looks pretty darned good and costs about a hundred dollars and you can use your existing TV with the proper cable and your existing DVDs.

Expensive is relative to each person, but for your regular schmoe a grand is more than you wanna pay just to watch a movie in HD if you own a 3 thousand dollar HD compliant TV and through yer 2 thousand dollar sound system.

Posted by Slipstream at 6:13pm on Sat Sep 9th 2006

I've been following this topic in the major PC magazines and most of them have the same view. Hold off buying blu-ray and HD-DVD. Both formats have problems, with Sony having lots of set backs.
These formats may truly be short lived, and a wait-and-see approach is wise.
Sales will be slow, as no video rental places I visit even have HD/blu-ray movies to rent or buy.
More people are not going to buy into this then will jump on board.
And for those that read and post here that can't wait to pay $600 - $1800 (depending where you live and taxes) for a player, good for you, but don't cry to us if you picked the wrong format.

Posted by Richard at 10:12pm on Sat Sep 9th 2006

when we get our act together,
how hard is it to develop hardware that is open?
and better? and sell it ? OS HD DVD RW DATA DRIVE?
we think the impossible eveyday?
we are the impossible open source?
the file is the future not the disc!
the file is played on an open source stable secure os
the disc with the O/S goes in the machine,
it is better than anything
you can buy (we made it) and its free.
the computer is the future of home entertainment
we define what is needed , we are the market
8 billon free open source secure users
muahahah we are winning muahahah lmfao
DVD is stable and is not going away for anyone
better quality (oh an ash tray on a bicycle kwl!!)
let them waste there time on players
why are they making films , for people? when
will they restrict content? => restrict profit
restrict a market place by technology access?
lmfao
shoot themselves in the stock price...
the last company to impliment DRM wins not the
first to shut down there market share.

some people
now stop listening to black propaganda and help
st richard with the plastik

Posted by sapien_red at 10:59am on Mon Sep 11th 2006

HD DVD: Blu-ray Has Problems
(Maybe have been posted before, but still a great read.)

http://www.betanews.com/article/HD_DVD_Bluray_Has_Problems/1136673259

Posted by Anonymous at 12:16pm on Mon Sep 11th 2006

Your are a dumbass and I want to kill you.

Posted by KrazyK at 3:21am on Tue Sep 12th 2006

Sony has often been accused of presenting a a very arrogant marketing face, especially when questioned about its hardware but today the company President showed a more humble attitude when interviewed by Reuters.

Sony recently announced the delay of the European PS3 launch, to March 2007, while the company also announced that of the 2 million units originally announced for the U.S. and Japan launches, only 500,000 would make it. These problems, caused by shortages of the Blu-Ray diode, gave Sony critics plenty of ammunition while the company's hardware woes continued when it had to recall faulty laptop batteries. Considering all these events Ken Kutaragi's statement to Reuters does not seem exaggerated although Sony is not known for hanging its head in shame. The SCEI boss commented, If you asked me if Sony's strength in hardware was in decline, right now I guess I would have to say that might be true...

Analysts have begun to question Sony's manufacturing process, suggesting that there may be something fundamentally wrong with it.

****

Sony's Kaz Hirai has confused the PS3 manufacture issue as he has claimed that production on Sony's next-gen console has not yet begun. There have been numerous reports suggesting that PS3 production had already begun and that Sony had already, received the first units.

In an interview with Gamespot, Sony Computer Entertainment America President, Kaz Hirai has made it clear that no PS3 production has started yet. We haven't started manufacturing yet. Some of our ops guys were actually just in China, and also in Japan just reviewing the (production) lines and everything else. But they are, again, preparing as we speak to get the manufacturing going. We've not announced and we haven't set really a specific date to say, as of this day we're going to start manufacturing.

As a result, Mr. Hirai made it clear that PS3 shortages are expected during the launch period as the company has promised 2 million units until the end of 2006. This, according to Kaz Hirai, means around 700,000 units per territory at launch, a number which suggests long queues and X360 style shortages.

***

Sony could not have failed to notice the eagerness with which the gaming public will lap up any story revealing some negative news about the PS3. Stories about developers postponing PS3 versions of games or canceling them altogether are commonplace, if not always accurate but Sony only has its conduct to blame. Moving past the unrealistic price tag, partly the result of the inclusion of Blu-Ray, Sony's illusions of grandeur and world domination with its proprietary format are annoying the gaming community. Every company is allowed to have a plan for success; it can only be viewed as arrogance however, when a company wants to take over the world but asks its users to foot the bill.

Posted by Sony watcher at 12:38pm on Wed Sep 13th 2006

i agree its to early for a new format, DVD's are fine for now and it would take some new technology like "Jump Drives" that you could store your old DVD's on to sway me into buying anything new (wouldnt scratch, take up less space) physical technology isnt the ay to go for new things imo

Screw them both :)

Posted by LucasJodokast at 4:49am on Mon Sep 18th 2006

I will not be buying this blu-ray crap. Sony is so against you coping movies but it now makes blu-ray burners FUCK YOU SONY YOU FUCKING ASS WIPES!

Posted by Josh at 8:54am on Mon Sep 18th 2006

This week is turning out to be another difficult one for Sony in both the Blu-Ray and PlayStation 3 fronts. Reactions have ranged from the official to the hilarious, first Universal boss of Home Entertainment has criticized Sony's format and then a European website has launched an all out attack at Sony for the PS3 European launch delay.

Universal President of Home Entertainment, Craig Kornblau, has launched an all-out attack on Sony's Blu-Ray format and speaking at CEDIA EXPO 2006 he said, Look at the blogs, look at the reviews by the early adopters and even look at the mainstream media � HD DVD has maintained its first-to-market advantage and delivered on the promises of providing the best high definition image and sound quality at the best value for consumers today. Take today�s announcement of new players from Toshiba, new PC hardware from Niveus and new titles like �The Fast and the Furious: Tokyo Drift,� and add the hardware and movies that are coming this Fall and you can see why HD DVD is poised for a strong holiday.

If the attack on Blu-Ray wasn't enough, the European consumer, disgruntled by Sony's recent delay of the European launch of the PS3, has decided to strike back through a hilarious website called thisiswaiting.com, making light of Sony's European, This Is Living slogan. The website features many retouched images ridiculing the PlayStation 3 and the company's President Ken Kutaragi. The image to your right is part of that website while you can also find such gems as Dude Where's My Diode and How to Lose Europe in 10 Days.

Posted by Sony Watcher at 6:07pm on Wed Sep 20th 2006

To the person/people who have been posting news in these comments recently - would you like to contribue actual articles to this web site? I am so insanely busy these days, I don't have any spare time to put towards writing articles, even though I keep up to date with news in the HD saga.

Let me know. roxoradmin@gmail

Posted by Some Guy at 11:18pm on Wed Sep 20th 2006

Really Funny video of two girls, One acting as a PS3 and the other acting as a Nintendo Wii (Like the PC vs Mac)
Not to be missed.
http://www.break.com/index/ps3_vs_nintendos_wii.html

Wii is going to kick sony's ass

Posted by Anonymous at 7:53pm on Fri Sep 22nd 2006

Nintendo's Wii has made the annual Hot Dozen toy list compiled by Toy Wishes magazine. The list is thought to be the most accurate prediction of how holiday sales will go and puts the console in the prestigious company of TMX Elmo and Butterscotch the toy Pony.

Launching on November 19 in the U.S., Nintendo's wonder console has received a barrage of positive press, unlike rival Sony and its PS3 console. At the expected USD 250, the Wii is one of the most expensive toys in the list although the aforementioned toy Pony does beat it at USD 299.99.

Of course, you did not have to be an expert toy journalist (?)to know that the Wii is bound to make a big splash this holiday season. Firstly, it will be the only new console that will launch with an adequate number of units available and secondly, the positivity surrounding the console, its innovative style and the low price make for a very tempting combination. The lack of any strong PSP sales also means that the Wii will be one of the few gaming gadgets available this holiday season.

Posted by Wii love Wii at 9:04am on Thu Oct 5th 2006

Piss on both of these formats, I wouldn't fuck them with YOUR dick. I'll wait for the most intelligent corporation to show up and offer superior (reliable) technology and no form of copy protection whatsoever. Such a company would undoubtedly dominate the format war almost instantly. I'd form the company myself if I had the money. I'd run it out of Europe and when the fascist pig hollywood movie studios bitched about it, I'd say "then sue me...oh wait, you can't, cause I'm not subject to american law anymore, HAHAHA. Now go fuck a flamethrower and give sloppy seconds to a cactus, you pathetic cock-smoking queers."

Now, to the people posting here: Those of you who say "This format (whichever) will win" are too stupid to be wasting my perfectly good oxygen, so please commit suicide as soon as humanly possible and make space for the real people. Unless you have that time-travelling DeLorian from the movies, all you're doing here is blowing gas out of your ass, and that smells like complete hell.

I used to like Sony, but after that rootkit fiasco, not only have they lost my business forever, but I may take up hacking in order to hurt their company in any way I can. I certainly would love to know where the big decision-makers of the company live, They would never be safe again. I'd do something to them that would make Sept. 11 look like a cherry bomb in a toilet. Somebody needs to rootkit THEIR asses and see how they like it. Again, fuck Sony.

I never liked Microsoft to begin with, for too many reasons to list. The whole company was founded by a pathetic little worm when he stabbed his best friend in the back. It should be liquidated by force and the money should be used to fix the fucking economy. Any complaining from them should earn a shotgun blast to each kneecap of the whiner(s). I know alot of you are saying "dude, chill, it's just electronics. no need to get violent". But understand that some people are so rich, no words of any kind can sway them. That's when you have to crack their fucking head open and say "you're money didn't buy you out of THAT, did it? All that power you have over the little people ain't amounting to SHIT now, is it? Who has the power now, bitch? Now suck and swallow." Then you take that shotgun and turn their head into lasagna anyway. You just squirted the ricotta cheese in their mouth anyway, might as well finish making the dish.

So in closing, fuck blu-ray, fuck HD DVD, and fuck each and every one of you fanboy faggots that support EITHER format. I hope your players explode in your fucking face first time out of the box and you all die screaming. Cheers!!

Posted by Kunt Muncher at 12:58am on Mon Oct 9th 2006

I disagree with the whole premise of your site.

I, for one, lood forward to HD. So much so, I purchased a "prosumer" video recorder, the HDR HC1 to shoot home HD movies. I did my homework up front, before I bought the camera, and knew (when I bought it last year) that I could do little more than shoot my movies, edit them on my computer, and store them on my computer. I could record the edited version onto a new tape and watch on my Sony HDTV. Oh, I forgot, I did research on that, too, and got it with an HDMI port built in.

All you self-professed techno nerds can look up this stuff the same way I can.

And yes, I WANT to see the detail. For you see (pun intended) I want the detail of the video I shoot, including the underwater stuff I will shoot (wasn't an underwater case made - at the time - but there is now).

I, for one, am VERY excited about HD recording, and I do think the Blu-ray will win out (sounds cooler, for one).

Yes, there are laptops out now with Blu-ray burners in them (and they are very pricey). I full well expect to see desktops with them by this Christmas (2006). But, again, I have been patiently waiting for almost a year, and my wait is almost over.

Hurray for Blu-ray, is all I can say. I will happily buy all of the product you won't. Blu-ray is here to stay, as is HD video.

So don't pull a Rush Limbaugh, and not post this, simply because I have a dissenting opinion.

Posted by David in Austin at 3:14pm on Mon Oct 9th 2006

Now there's a perfect example. David in Austin is one of the ignorant sheeple that give these asshole companies the capability to gouge the rest of us at every turn. He obviously hasn't does as much research as he claims, or he would know about Sony's rootkit scandal. Anyone who knows about that and doesn't want Sony completely destroyed should be put away before they burn their house down, because they're obviously retarted. The rootkit ordeal should have caused the total disbanding of Sony, but I guess they bought their way out of it. Obviously they are stronger then the Better Business Beureau and the whole damn government itself. Money rules. We should go ahead and overthrow the government, because the shit isn't working, obviously. Fuck you David. Fuck your parents for having you. Fuck your whole family heritage. Suck dick and die, moron. Oh, and have a nice day. :)

Posted by Anonymous at 6:43pm on Mon Oct 9th 2006

This isn't really a big deal, really.

Posted by Max Power at 2:41pm on Tue Oct 10th 2006

David - Your comment makes me think you didn't really read the article, or did but didn't understand it. I'm on not saying HD sucks, in fact quite the opposite. First paragraph: "If you've ever watched HDTV, you know what a treat it is. At 5 times the resolution of normal television, it looks fantastic. I would love to be able to purchase or rent HD movies to watch at home. But I just can't bring myself to do it, for the reasons listed below."

My problem is the draconian bullshit that comes with your purchase of a Blu-ray or HD-DVD player.

Posted by Some Guy at 5:42pm on Tue Oct 10th 2006

I would like to point out that even the Editor and Staff at Maximum PC Magazine, The Computer Magazine for "Geeks" and hardcore computer software/hardware people, say you should stay away from Blu-ray and HD-DVD.

"Blu-ray and HD DVD are mired in content protection debacles that screw the consumers." Will Smith.
Read Maximun PC for more on this subject: Titled: Education is Job #1.

Also in the, Electronics Buying Guide 2007, by Consumer Reports. The tell consumers to Hold off on these players. "Given the current high prices of the first models and the incompatibility between the two rival formats, we STRONGLY recommend that you wait for things to shake out."

Posted by Max at 3:54pm on Wed Oct 11th 2006

Dolby Guy, you said the Article Writer was Pulling Facts out of his ass, and your right, "FACTS" , :) so you contradict yourself.

Anyway, the less you know the more the companies can take your freedom away, as in the olden days, they taught you how to fish, now they don't. :(

Other words, soon schools will be shutdown, and no ability to become richer will be available, because schools teach freedom, and ur rights, or either that will happen or they will teach "slavery is freedom", and "freedom is slavery". Probably the latter.

To really get up in this world, you'll have to lie, cheat, thieve, kill, rape, etc..because if you do the good in your heart without greed in this world, your not going to join the rich.. It is sad tho, you have to do those things in this world to gain popularity.. :/

By the way Many of the technoligies today were stole from others in the olden days and from others ideas, that the new companies owners are getting rich after.

Posted by David at 6:03pm on Thu Oct 12th 2006

What an idiot. better resolution and bigger space is definately a good reason to upgrade. Especially for a Gamer. Seems like someone is scared of change. Sucks for you, because a lot of people are already upgrading to HDTVs... so it begins!!! Have fun with your VHS and DVD collections!

peace out!

oh yea, HD DVD SUCKS!

BLU-RAY all the way!!!!

Posted by nunya at 11:14pm on Thu Oct 12th 2006

nunya says in part "...bigger space is definately a good reason to upgrade. Especially for a Gamer."
Well this is not true. It cost milions to bring a game to market and software companies don't need to make games that fit a 25GB DVD, that would just mean more programs working to to fill the space and more bugs to fix, and even more millions spent, and if the game sucks, the company could go tits up.

Secondly a 4.5GB DVD cost less then 50 cents, so you can have 5 DVD's at $2 to $2.50 if you need 25GB, (And I'm sure game companies get them even cheaper!) or a blu-ray DVD at $15 to $20 a disc for a game company,(For you and me they cost $30-35)
Why take that kind of risk and spend $13 to 18 dollars more when you don't need to? And sure they might get each blu-ray disk for $10, maybe even $5, but that still twice as much and up for nothing!

In marketing if you can put even an extra $2 in your pocket per unit that can be the Difference in making money and lossing money.
And I'm betting the cost in new hardware to master blu-ray disc's on top of the cost per blank disc just mean less money for the owner(s) of the game companies.
Is this a Business model you would subscribe too?

Posted by Anonymous at 12:15am on Fri Oct 13th 2006

None of your negative reasons make a whole lot of sense for most people who just want the best quality movies to play at home and can afford a new DVD player. My player is 7 years old and I need to upgrade anyway. I don't play movies on my PC, why would I when I have a New 1080P 70" Sony XBR2 sitting in the same room? Sounds like your a little penis envy for those that like to have the latest and greatest. Really not sure why I'm wasting my time even replying to such a dumbass site........

Posted by Jerry at 7:19pm on Fri Oct 13th 2006

Hi all.

I thought this article was great! Am currently doing a university assignment on Data Communications.

One of our questions is about how Blu-ray and HD DVD would impact on WAN infrastructure (if at all). Reading this article, and all your posts, has been enlightening, but it all seems to be more from a consumer viewpoint.

As they're both relatively new technologies, I'm finding it quite difficult to find enough information to look at how it might affect WAN infrastructure (apart from people wanting to download more movies and HD content, which would require higher bandwidth).

Any information any of you might be able to provide on this point would be greatly appreciated.

My bf works in the AV industry - he agrees that Blu-Ray and HD DVD suck and they don't work properly yet.

Cheers

DD

Posted by DarkDarling at 9:03pm on Fri Oct 13th 2006

We must fight it!And we will win!

Posted by linuxuser at 6:10pm on Sun Oct 15th 2006

I have been interested for some time in buying the upcoming PlayStation 3 game console from Sony but my only doubt deals with the fact that they might be adding a BluRay compatible disc drive to the PS3 to speed adoption of BluRay players.

I do not want to contribute to the success of an anti-consumer format but I do like the PS3's gaming capabilities and I have never bought a PlayStation game console before.

My entire video collection is mostly composed of VHS tapes and DVDs I also agree with the principle of buying video on demand (VOD) online as downloads through sites or services like Apple Computer Inc.'s iTunes Store for Mac & Windows users which work with the iPod also and I am closely going to be following the news about Apple's iTV product they gave a sneek peak of a while back when they originally released iTunes 7 and the new movie capable iPods.

Investing my money in hardware that will cripple my choices that is buying a device with DRM limitations is not something I want to do but I am intrigued by the PS3? What do you think are my best options? The wait and see method: don't buy it right after its launch but a while later or another approach?

Posted by manpan at 8:23pm on Sun Oct 15th 2006

The winner of the format war will be the format that ticks the greater number of these 4 boxes:

1- Most manufactures licensed to produce the hardware (promotes lower hardware costs, and the studios will release on the format that sells)
2 -Cheapest media (why pay $40 for something you can get that looks and sounds the same as something you can get for $30)
3- Availability of porn (I�m not joking � look into what drove every media expansion throughout history)
4- Which is easier for the average user to pirate at home

In all of the above there are many examples to draw from, but the VHS v BETAMAX example applies to all.

Posted by DarthAndy at 1:38pm on Wed Oct 18th 2006

Grow up! Did you think there would be no reaction for all the cd's and dvd's stolen, copied, downloaded? What makes you think you have the right to pirate someones work? I have a blu-ray player and love it! Fifth Element never looked so good. As for boycotts, they never work, look at all the walmart boycotts. If it makes you feel better boycott it but I'll bet in the next 5 years when all they sell is bluray or hddvd you'll own one. OR are you still using cassettes?

Posted by JR at 12:01pm on Fri Oct 20th 2006

JR, what I love about responses like yours, is how you assume that I'm mad just because I can't "pirate" this material and get it for free. There have been at least 5 other comments of the same nature in this thread. But is there any place on this site where I actually make such a statement? That golly gee, I sure wish I could "pirate" Blu-ray or HD-DVD but that nasty AACS just gets in my way? No. Nowhere does it say it, and nowhere is it implied. You are assuming it, and therefore have made an ass out of yourself.

Posted by Some Guy at 4:27pm on Fri Oct 20th 2006

Why all this controversy whenever a new technology is being introduced? It was the same with vinyl records, the CC (compact cassette), CD, MiniDisc and so forth.

I dont understand all this whining about AACS, MMC or whatever content protection is going to be there either. Since its a digital technology there will sooner or later be a hack and everybody will be happy.

It already started... Found this while writing this: http://www.i4u.com/article6019.html

Hehe. My two cents.

Posted by Your mom at 9:19pm on Sat Oct 21st 2006

Also this: http://www.heise-security.co.uk/news/75103

Posted by Your mom at 9:21pm on Sat Oct 21st 2006

Don't worry about JR, he's licking my fat sack as I type this. I'm not gay or anything, he just needed the humiliation. Here's the deal. I didn't pirate music or movies until Sony rootkits destroyed a friend's computer and messed up my girlfriend's. When I realized what had happened, I became an instant pirate and I was going to take money out of Sony's pockets any way I could. I don't do it for personal gain, because I download and distribute stuff I don't even like. I know Sony took it up the ass in court, but obviously they didn't get the message. They're still trying to fuck the consumer out of doing what they want with their own property. I know I could just stop buying their products, but that won't hurt them enough. Besides, why should I have to go without entertainment because they're assholes (so yes, maybe a little personal gain). A Blu-ray player that must be connected to the internet??? I think not. When I buy something from a company, the transaction is then complete and it will be MY decision whether or not to have any further dealings with that company. They will NOT know what I watch and how often; they will NOT know my name and address; they will NOT keep tabs on me. Plus, I will copy my movies/music if I fucking want to, because they're MINE. Ignorant sheeple-fucks like JR are the morons that give Sony and other corporate swine the power to do what they do. JR doesn't care about anything but the entertainment in his living room, and he'll buy whatever is put in front of him, morally right or not. What a loser. He doesn't care if Sony knows his IP address because he probably doesn't even know what it is (I know he or some other moron will post the definition they found at google or wikipedia just to prove me wrong). Am I going to get left behind by technology? Of course not. When a kindred spirit posts on the net how to hack the player (and that will happen), I will then buy one at an electronics fair for a third of it's retail price, hack it, then kick back with popcorn. Until then, fuck you, Sony. Fuck you, Microsoft. Fuck you, Hollywood. Fuck you all up the asshole with a freight train. I'm gonna go pirate some movies now. Cheers!

Posted by kunt muncher at 4:45pm on Sun Oct 22nd 2006

No one is forcing anyone to buy Bluray or HDDVD, but if you want to view movies in 1080p resolution it's a good place to start. If you don't want it, don't buy it.

You failed to mention in your article that hollywood studios will not be forced to enable HDCP until 2011, so that anyone with older HDTVs that are no HDCP compliant can still watch Blu-ray and HDDVD at 720p or 1080i resolutions, thus giving people 5 years until they'll need to upgrade there TVs, which by then will be some very nice TV sets on the market, OLED, SED, Laser etc. which will all be fully HDCP compliant and then whatever else.

In regards to AACS and DRMs, if people want to copy discs or add content etc, they'll find a way, look how easy Macrovision was to disable this generation.

Anyway this topic is useless, if you don't want HDDVD or Bluray simply don't buy them, stick to your 480p DVDs that are upscaled to 720p and be done with it.

Posted by whatever at 1:11am on Mon Oct 23rd 2006

Your article sucked :) Then again, I own Toshiba 52" DLP connected through comcast Silver package, and I love the HD quality. If you can't tell the difference from DVD to HD DVD your blind. I suggest going to your local circuit city and check out their BLUE RAY demo.

You forgot to mention that you will soon be able to pick up blue ray for $600.00. ( Sony's PS3 )

This reminds me of when DVD's started coming out I didn't want to give up my VHS collection. When it came right down to it quality in DVD was just so much better. Just like HD is so much better then DVD.

I do agree that DRM is evil (for Console's or PC's). But I only have one TV with 1080P+ so I really don't care about making a copy/backup of a dvd I don't see how DRM affects watching A HD DVD.

VHS vs Betamax ( same thing time will pick one )

Posted by timewave at 3:39am on Mon Oct 23rd 2006

Totally agree. Blu-ray and HD-DVD suck.

Posted by KM at 2:41pm on Tue Oct 24th 2006

Get a job you poor cant and then noneof it will be an issue

Posted by Barry Halfwinder at 11:31am on Thu Oct 26th 2006

Did you read the article? While cost is one of my complaints, the fact that it's listed almost last means I don't consider it one of the major reasons.

In conclusion, please learn to read.

Posted by Some Guy at 8:17pm on Thu Oct 26th 2006

First of all I am aware of the positive implications of HDCP on HD outputting devices. Copying a movie for a friend or family member I see as harmless, because I can just let them burrow my legal movie and Hollywood won't get its $20 for it and its purely legal. But as a consumer with limited pocket depth, I think it's unfair to make all these technologies now, because it makes everything else that I have bought and don't feel I need to get rid-off useless. All these new technology encrypting crap is only a plot to get more money. Law makers are agreeing because its election season and these companies contribute lots of green.

Posted by Webterractive at 6:24pm on Wed Nov 1st 2006

I just purchased a new computer that isn't HDCP but I don't care I am not upgrading. I have over 120+ DVDs all bought because I am a big movie buff. So HD-DVD/BluRay thats money you won't get, I'll just purchase all the movies I dont own and cheaper because people will think DVD is dead. All the new releases these days are crap anyway, ie. $30 million to make, and with a top hit of $6 million. Not worth it, if you ignore these companies and its products I am sure they'll fade away. There are other solutions beside Intel, thats why I bought AMD.

Posted by Upset_Consumer at 6:28pm on Wed Nov 1st 2006

your story has very little FACT, only what you have heard or read through other sources. Just like with the DVD. People were all worked up about the hype of the new format of media. Most of your newer tv's and computers are Blue Ray compatible. Also just like with everything else, it's a choice of lifestyle. Not everyone cares to see something in High-Def. or not. As you will see, the priceing of the hardware will slowly decline, just as it did with DVD. Just because you are affraid of the New, Doesn't give you a right to down on it. But like all spineless creatures, you are what you are.

Posted by employee of high end video & a ... at 8:55pm on Thu Nov 2nd 2006

This last post by, employee of high end video, says
"your story has very little FACT, (and then goes on to say,)Most of your newer tv's and computers are Blue Ray compatible."
Now that is false. Many TV's sold are not HD (Blu-ray) compatible, I know I just bought one.
And as for computers, only the Windows Vista will OS let you play blu-ray movies on your computer. Is windows Vista out yet? No. So this means NO computers sold right now can play a blu-ray movie as Windows XP will no do the job.
Also you need a monitor that is compatible and I have yet to see one.
So mr. employee of high end video. Maybe you should get the FACTS.
Blu-ray sucks

Posted by Chris at 1:11am on Fri Nov 3rd 2006

So fony & all the other vampires want me to buy the same thing twice or even 3 times from them? I was caught out by the vinyl to cd con as well as the video to dvd rip-off but now I'm armed with knowledge of what they're up to & I'm having none of it.

If they decide to only release movies in Blu-Ray or HD-DVD then I'll stop buying, it's that simple, I'm not playing by their rules anymore & as the old saying goes, THE CUSTOMER (me) IS ALWAYS RIGHT!

Posted by unhappy consumer at 9:41am on Fri Nov 3rd 2006

The Samsung DVD-HD931 HD-Compatible DVD Player apparently sells for $239 to $200. It says that it is DVI compatible and HDCP compatible. Is this an alternative to blu-suck and sony? I just bought a Hyundai 42" LCD HDCP compatible tv for $750.00 plus tax and was thinking of going to an HD setup. Unfortunately, after doing some homework it looks like I should definitely wait. However, if I can find the Samsung player for $150 I might be tempted to buy.

Posted by Nick M at 4:19pm on Sun Nov 5th 2006

Correction on comment above:
Those DVD players, samsung and bravo d1, are not blu-suck compatible and simply change the resolution of regular dvd's to a higher resolution.

My question is; will the quality be that much greater on the higher resolution? (aka worth $150)

Posted by Nick M at 4:41pm on Sun Nov 5th 2006

I can't believe that nobody has yet mentioned the late 90s, early 00s era DVD-Audio (5.1 discrete uncompressed audio tracks at 96khz, 24 bit) and Super Audio CD (1 bit, 2 channel, sample rate in the Mhz range). Both of these formats were very technically superior to standard CDs; both were unencrypted formats just like CDs. Very few people really caught on to the idea, as standard CD audio goes above the 18khz range of human hearing, so SACD became more of a "studio" format, and DVD-Audio got replaced with special DVDs (compatible with any player) featuring video effects to accompany the Dolby Digital 5.1 soundtrack.

I believe that the same net result will happen with BluRay and HDDVD - that unlike the "VHS vs BetaMAX" fiasco, both formats will fade with the wind, as DVD Video, just like the audio CD, is plenty clear enough for casual humans to enjoy :-)

Posted by StarDust at 5:22am on Wed Nov 8th 2006

I will also not purchase any next gen DVD drives, TV's, or equipment.

I could go out tommorow and pay cash for a $20,000 vehicle without taking a fanacial hit. Yet I take the bus.

I never bought an iPod, own a Panasonic CD player imported from Japan instead, kills the iPod in quality and was purchased at a pawn shop for $75 CAD (Brand New in box, while it was retailed at $239.00 at all retail stores).

When I used to buy CD's when music was good, nowdays music is crap and I don't even download music at all either, quality is bad, and the songs suck. Instead I use internet radio nowdays and private DJ mixes that are original and free to download and listen to from their websites.

Don't have a TV. Internet news sites are plenty since all I need is information.

Being wealthy in my own right, the reason so is because I don't blow money on the superficial crap that shows one financial status.

For a HDTV set up, I would be looking at over $12,000 set that includes HD-DVD/BLUE RAY, HDTV 66" TV, Denon Speakers, Nice Leather Couch. Add tax to that. $13560 CAD Dollars, mind you that is with a high quality HDTV, but entry level Denon speakers.

FOR $13,560.00 CAD Dollars I could go to the movie theater 1356 times (@ $10 a ticket). I go to see a movie at the theater once every two months. That's 60 Dollars/year. Think about it, I would have to live for 226 YEARS to get a RETURN on the HDTV investment.

If you buy into this HDTV and other bullshit, you're pissing your money down the toilet. Good for you.

I'll keep my bank account nice and fat instead, thank you very much.

SONY - Take a hint losers, no one I know will buy your shit.

MICROSOFT - We do not need a 3D GUI, fucking stupid move. By the time people get off XP, there will be a user friendly Linux OS that most of us will transfer to.

Posted by Ranger at 3:52pm on Fri Nov 10th 2006

Having consumer dollars going to crap technology to cripple hardware ? Great... I'm not getting a hardware with a virus!!

Posted by ACSS is crap at 11:35pm on Sat Nov 11th 2006

another reason to update might be the interactive java menus

Posted by simon at 1:15am on Sun Nov 12th 2006

I just want to buy a DVD my grandsons can play on their present DVD player. Looks like many of the new releases are in Blue Ray. Higher price and haven't figured out if they will work on the older players. How much better is Blue Ray DVD going to look on a small
DVD player than where we're at now. Money doesn't grow on trees for us retires. Give me a break!!

Posted by Chet Henderson at 3:20pm on Sun Nov 12th 2006

Chet - if they don't have a Blu-ray or HD-DVD player, then don't buy them one of those discs! Only regular DVDs play in a regular DVD player. And common opinion is that if your TV is less than 32 inches, HD is a waste of money. Buy them a regular DVD!

Posted by Some Guy at 8:55pm on Sun Nov 12th 2006

i was talking with my prof. the other day about blue ray technology he told me that blue ray cystals usually die after 1 yr, so i say fuck blue ray for defective products and is say fuck sony for the same reason

Posted by Ghozt at 4:28pm on Tue Nov 14th 2006

I think that blu-ray or any-in-disc format is obsolete now.We dont need more motors(*) in any new device,since the final format will be solid state,ie memory cards.In more four years,a card with almost one terabite will be able to contain several movies in HD video and,let see,twenty audio channels...And when this technology arrives all blue ray machines goes direct to ....trash :-)))))

Remember,the first audio "player",a gramophone(cilinder or disc) was an all mechanic machine.Now,at the end of the chain,MP3 players(or IPods) are solid state in full...If this happens to audio,why not to video?The big companies need to sell these obsolete blurays and hd machines to recover(we pay!) the invested money.So,my fellow,forget mechanical stupidies and wait for a solid state device.The eventual protection in these new products,we discuss later

Posted by Nolan Levy at 4:54pm on Tue Nov 14th 2006

Great read, and I don't see why anyone should support a pointless format war anyways. Let the companies lose and realize that only people with nothing better to do with their lives than watch movies in ultra-super-mega-uber-hi-def-theater or those who have money to burn are going to pay just for a prettier picture. DVD's are not bad in quality and if you're going to gamble on a format war, then it should offer some benefits like the VHS --> DVD transition you mentioned.

Posted by Anonymous at 6:51pm on Tue Nov 14th 2006

I HATE TO SAY THIS, BUT YOU CAN'T UNDO TECHNOLOGY. IT IS HERE TO STAY. ROLL WITH THE PUNCHES AND LIVE ON.

Posted by ralphtaylor at 10:41pm on Tue Nov 14th 2006

I like Blu-ray...There isn't anything wrong with it.

Posted by John at 10:33am on Wed Nov 15th 2006

Watch as a guy smashes his new PS3 in front of a long line of people waiting to buy one.

http://www.planetboredom.net/video.php?id=2944

Posted by SmashMyPS3 at 12:30pm on Sat Nov 18th 2006

To date, no implementation of DRM has been used by any player released.
Considering that there is a price war going on, and that both formats, HD and Blu-ray want to win it... Why would they even think of implementing that now?
They need people to be able to buy their products, and implementing DRM etc.. would eliminate the TV's limited to component connections.
As I said, none of the current crop of HD or Blu-Ray players implement DRM or any down resolution, so this whole page is basically about hysteria and paranoia.
One last thing, almost all new HD TV's include hdmi connection on them. They are a much more secure connection and a higher quality one than the component connector.
The Tv's sold without one, despite people paying high prices for them have a limited lifespan.
An LCD bulb eventually burns out as does a plasma one, and when the cold cathode bulb goes, some of these TV's will be tossed away, since not all of them were manufactured with the ability to replace the bulb....
By then, hdmi will be the new standard, and byt the time it is, at that point, DRM may be considered, but it sure as hell is not something that is being used now, or even something anyone is talking about using anytime soon...
Except you of course with this silly web page...
There is already enough confusion in the world of high definition among the public and people like you creating pages like this, only adds to it.
Either you don't have ALL the facts, or you choose to relate only the negative ones, or you are actually TRYING to create confusion.
In any case, you ought to give the public the FULL facts if you are going to be creating a web page.
To people reading this, I suggest you do your OWN homework on high definition, and before you go believing things posted around the web, you check it out for yourself.
Responsible publications like Widescreen Review are your best source of information on High Definition...
Blog pages, are made all the time by people that do not always have ALL the facts.
The unfortunate thing is that peopl on the internet tend to believe ANYTHING that is published on a web page....
Mike

Posted by Mike at 12:37am on Sun Nov 19th 2006

Jeez.. who cares? I'll buy an HD-DVD player when I can, probaby the add-on for the 360. I don't care if you think I'll getting 'cheated' by faceless corporations. I recently brought a toaster, a few weeks later a better toaster came out.. I'm sure this was in the pipeline when I brought my first toaster but who cares? Its happened all through human excistance, and as a consumer.. WHICH EVERYONE HERE IS.. you have NO CHOICE but to buy products, regardless of what you think about them or how they have been 'tweaked' to *cough* rip you off *cough*.

HD / Blu-ray.. pfft.. Coca-cola certainly hasn't taken a grip of the market over Pepsi and forced them to stop selling a nearly identical brown sugary drink has it?

Posted by Toaster at 10:19am on Mon Nov 20th 2006

(I know this is not a blu-ray only item, but as the PS3 has blu-ray and people might buy it for this reason, it's something to think about)

An article in the New York times slams Sony's PlayStation 3 console and claims that the product is unrefined and not ready for public release, all this after having tried the console for over 30 hours and having played 13 games on it.

The article in the New York times suggests that Sony rushed the console to market in an attempt to get some holiday action but may be selling the consumer short in order to do so. The story begins by stating that the PS3 ...delivers gorgeous graphics. Only to go on and add that ...they are not discernibly prettier than the Xbox 360�s.

Seth Schiesel, the New York times editor behind the story, then moves on to a straight-forward comparison of the XBox 360 and the PS3 and claims that the X360 is user friendly and features an intuitive UI while the PS3 lacks refinement and some basic gear including the high definition cabling required to connect the console to a TV that supports the technology. The comparison continues to find fault with Sony's console and the way its controllers sync and even mentions the inability of the PS3 to allow players to listen to their own music while playing games.

The criticism of the console goes on to mention the Sony online experience which is also presented as unrefined, astonishingly, you can�t download in the background while you go do something that�s more fun (like play a game).

The criticism of Sony's console goes on and on and the gist of the story seems to be that the shortage of consoles may actually help Sony as it needs more time to refine its UI and the overall PS3 user experience. A lot of horsepower but no seats may be the expression that best describes Sony's next-generation offering.

Also this Quotes from Electronic Gaming Monthly DEC. 06
�Sony says the next generation starts when they say so. I say that�s bullshit.� Epic Games VP Mark Rein. (Gears of War is the First second-generation game for Xbox 360)

Posted by Sony Watcher at 10:21pm on Tue Nov 21st 2006

Quote - "Also this Quotes from Electronic Gaming Monthly DEC. 06
�Sony says the next generation starts when they say so. I say that�s bullshit.� Epic Games VP Mark Rein. (Gears of War is the First second-generation game for Xbox 360).."

Ha.. go on then Sony, tell us that the next generation started when the 360 came out.. tell us that Blu-ray is NOT ready for the consumer and you are rushing things to get a bit of the action. People are being sold a 'half-baked' product ahead of its time in completion respects. Shows a total lack of respect for Sonys so called 'loyal customers' and reveals them for the frauds that they ultimatley are.

Posted by Blu-ray-doomed at 3:53am on Wed Nov 22nd 2006

Possibly the silliest episode in the history of BluRay is the infamous delay caused by an "immature" DRM implementation.
What an idiotic idea to embed copy protection at such a really low level!

An early adopter of both CD-RW and DVD+RW, this time I had to give up and go for other kinds of removable media (tapes, to give you a clue) as my data storage needs could not wait.

Posted by One Disgruntled Customer at 7:02am on Wed Nov 22nd 2006

Problems with the Playstation 3 game console are emerging.

Over the weekend the system went on sale in Japan and the USA.

Sony admitted the console cannot play some older games for Playstation and Playstation 2.

The company had billed Playstation 3 as compatible with previous systems.

So far a list of over 200 games will not work with the PS3, Final Fantasy and Gran Turismo are among them. (More to be added for sure!)
Sony has always said that PlayStation 3 will be perfectly compatible with PS 2 titles

Posted by AL at 8:56am on Wed Nov 22nd 2006

Fuck PS3 and blu-ray, get a Wii, look how fun this is..
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoID=1424318255

Posted by Frank Lee at 9:09am on Wed Nov 22nd 2006

DRM and MMC

Just these two words.

They alone are more than enough reasons to bycott this new technology. Dont give in to the big corporation BS.

Posted by Andy at 10:26am on Wed Nov 22nd 2006

I say boycott this stupid site and ridiculous article. Anyone who wants to boycott next-gen DVDs are cheap-ass losers.

Posted by Steve at 4:45pm on Mon Nov 27th 2006

"To date, no implementation of DRM has been used by any player released."

So far, yes. But how soon until the bait and switch occurs?

"Considering that there is a price war going on, and that both formats, HD and Blu-ray want to win it... Why would they even think of implementing that now?"

They wouldn't want to do it now, but once they're achieved the dominate position, they will.

"As I said, none of the current crop of HD or Blu-Ray players implement DRM or any down resolution, so this whole page is basically about hysteria and paranoia."

AGAIN, RIGHT NOW! How soon until they start? You yourself even admit (by this comment) that at some point THEY WILL. THEN WHAT HAPPENS?

"One last thing, almost all new HD TV's include hdmi connection on them. They are a much more secure connection and a higher quality one than the component connector."

Correct on the new TV comment. Not correct on the higher quality comment. In theory it is a better connection, but can your average home user tell the different between a HDMI connection and a component connection? No

"The Tv's sold without one, despite people paying high prices for them have a limited lifespan.
An LCD bulb eventually burns out as does a plasma one, and when the cold cathode bulb goes, some of these TV's will be tossed away, since not all of them were manufactured with the ability to replace the bulb....
By then, hdmi will be the new standard, and byt the time it is, at that point, DRM may be considered, but it sure as hell is not something that is being used now, or even something anyone is talking about using anytime soon..."

Limited lifespan? Yes. I expect to get 10+ years out of the HD-ready projection TV I bought. You make it sound like I should expect to get 3 years and be happy with it. Think about how fast home theater technology has changed in the past 3 years.

"Either you don't have ALL the facts, or you choose to relate only the negative ones, or you are actually TRYING to create confusion."

They have all the facts. There is no *MAJOR* benefit to blu-ray or HD-DVD

"In any case, you ought to give the public the FULL facts if you are going to be creating a web page."

Ok then, what's missing?

"To people reading this, I suggest you do your OWN homework on high definition, and before you go believing things posted around the web, you check it out for yourself.
Responsible publications like Widescreen Review are your best source of information on High Definition...
Blog pages, are made all the time by people that do not always have ALL the facts."

Correct, to which the author of this page has provided links to credible websites.

"The unfortunate thing is that peopl on the internet tend to believe ANYTHING that is published on a web page...."

Especially when it's backed up with facts from other websites.

It also doesn't look good when you try and have an argument with improper grammar.

Posted by Another guy at 5:10pm on Mon Nov 27th 2006

Problems With PS3 Resolutions On HDTVs
Yet another reason to not buy a PS3 and Blu-ray or another reason to sell your HDTV that you got last year and pay another $2000 for a new TV. (Yeah right, Fuck Sony!)

IGN is reporting that people who have gotten Sony's Playstation 3 console are finding out that some problems with video resolutions is showing up in several games.

As it turns out, gamers who own HD sets that feature only 480i, 480p, and 1080i resolution input capabilities will have to settle for the display quality being downsized as the game boots in its 480p mode rather than upscaling the image from its more desirable 720p mode to the TV's 1080i. We tested this development with games designed for 720p but not 1080i -- Resistance: Fall of Man, NHL 2K7, Tiger Woods PGA Tour 07, and Need for Speed Carbon. Sure enough, the system downshifted all four titles to 480p rather than moving up to 1080i.

Posted by Energizer7 at 8:52pm on Mon Nov 27th 2006

firmware update for PS3 doesn't fix problems.
What PS3 users seem most upset about seems to be the lack of information coming from Sony regarding the PS3. Many have complained about the sluggish browser, the odd Blu-Ray playback, the lack of background downloading and some have experienced online disconnection issues. This update fails to react to user complaints and instead introduces an account management tab which allows users to access their wallets a lot faster.

Expecting Sony to introduce fixes to the, many, PS3 problems this quickly is unfair as the console has not been around for that long. Sony however, has to confront its consumers at some point and explain why it chose to release a very expensive product when it was not quite ready for the public. The update does however, introduce support for the use of both the HDMI and Optical outputs.

Posted by Sony Watcher at 9:48pm on Wed Nov 29th 2006

So with all your statements ... basically I've got a lot of problems with it. Sure, Tom Cruise isn't hurting for money but the movie industry certainly is. They want to protect their product, not have it copied 100 times over on the internet. If you created something that cost you a few million dollars, you'd want to protect that too. You can't copy a car so more than 1 person can use it, but you can copy data. So companies that deal in data and that includes all of them, not just the motion picture association, are protecting that. Otherwise those of us who do purchase the items legally will have to pay twice, three times, four times the cost to cover all of those who don't or these companies will have to stop making their products - which is bad.

The part about hacking may leading it to self destruct - what part of "When you purchase this item you agree not to hack it under penalty of law" and those big legal warnings at the beginning of movies do people not understand? We're asking to be able to break the law and upset we can't?

As for the format war, and the price, both of these will resolve themselves in time. Its a great reason not to buy one, now. But not a reason to get down on both formats forever. If I ever buy a HD DVD player (or even an HDTV since I don't have one yet) it'll certainly be after the war is over and one medium wins out.

Then of course he made the same argument I've heard before about not getting anything else. 8 gigs isn't 50 gigs. We are computer users, this argument shouldn't make sense to anyone here. Doing audio for television and films personally I think your argument about the audio changes is laughable at best and absolutely mind boggling - you'll have a lot more true base and you'll have a lot more mid-ranges when the audio doesn't need to be compressed as much.

And lastly, the public is not ready for a new format argument. If that were the case, people wouldn't be buying HD TVs when Standard Definition looks good enough (at least to me). But there are those who like the best picture and the best sound. They have their HD TVs and want a better way to watch their videos - and if they don't they won't buy a player. Making an argument against not buying something and then ending the argument with "you don't want it anyway" seems pretty lame to me.

Posted by Chad Horn (www.chadhorn.net) at 6:47am on Fri Dec 1st 2006

I never believed for a second this debate was or is about piracy or people making backups of the movies they buy, it�s all about control and making me spend even more money, but it will fail as the cost of this blu-ray stuff is just way over the top when you think about all the other options you have for a fraction of the cost. And they work just fine.

For example.
Pioneer Blu-ray Disc/DVD Writer Black (BDR-101AS) + Software $969.00

TDK blank single-layer Blu-ray discs with a 25GB capacity $24.99
TDK will also have dual-layer 50GB discs available, for $59.99

So at these prices, and yes they will come down years from now, you�re not going to make a copy of your $30 � $40+ blu-ray movie.

Computer people with a brain are not going to buy this as a storage option when one blank 25GB disc cost 10 times the amount of a blank DVD. And the Blu-ray drive cost more then most computers sold in the big box stories.

You can get a Seagate 320GB SATA-II drive at Tiger direct for $109. That�s less then the cost of two dual-layer 50GB blu-ray discs.

What a waste of money this thing is. I'll pass....

Posted by GaryPlayer(not the golfer) at 8pm on Fri Dec 1st 2006

bravo! again i say BRAVO! to you sir.
it seems that there are a few functional cerebral lobes out there still!
it is sad though that they are so few!, i am as sick as you are of seeing a tiny percentage of already wealthy beyond reason SCUM-(hey "dubya" all your buddys gettin enough profit from the deaths of our fighting men?...........just wanna know that you will be able to afford that new platinum
BU## pl## you need so badly)-molding our society and culture into a serfdom trained to keep their mouths shut, do without health care, education, breathable air, and hope,
stand still to be sheared at tax time-the same dollar ten cents 11 times- and generally exist to provide the shareholders and "executives"(just what do they "execute" i wonder) with MORE than more than they will ever need.

boycot blue ray?.......we should boycot much, much more than that.
good to know you're out there.

Posted by castawaydreamer at 5:26pm on Tue Dec 5th 2006

You are right this Blu Ray stuff is nothing but a huge consumer rip off.

You would have to be a fool to buy into it.

Posted by Jim Burke at 8:06pm on Tue Dec 5th 2006

"Well, there's just one problem. The movie industry assumes you are a criminal, and has added technologies to Blu-ray and HD-DVD that vastly restrict your potential enjoyment of their HD movies."

If copy protection and things of the sort are a problem for you then you probably are a criminal. Like anything, you get what you pay for. If you upgrade all your stuff to the new, compliant, gear then you get the payoff. If you want to use free software and expect the world to kneel for you then, tough.

Posted by OpenSourceMyPants.com at 4:33pm on Thu Dec 7th 2006

At my age I can tell you this, we started with carbon disk records, then TV, next we went to plastic, single and LP's, Cassettes, then came Beta, and VHS Video, then CD's, then DVD's, now they want you to invest in HD Hi res, not a single one of these format's hung around for more then a few years, every time it was a must have high tech Wow! factor, How much did you pay for your DVD player when they first came on the market? $300 to $500, more? now if you shop around you can get a new one for $39, back in the late seventies, a few years ago now, I paid three grand for a Marantz stereo, the equivalent of three months pay at the time, within five years (by the time I paid it off) it wasn�t worth ten bucks, My LCD TV cost almost two grand, it lasted about a week longer than the warranty, now it will cost more to fix than to replace. All the good entertainment that used to be free to air is now on pay tv. don�t buy into it. Its probably all made by almost slaves in a far off country any how, If by chance a good movie comes out in the next five years go see it at a real theater, and throw a few bucks into the poor box to feed the hungry not the greedy..all the best

Posted by leeroyb at 1:11am on Fri Dec 8th 2006

PS3 and Bluray are teh best!

Posted by JB at 11:03pm on Fri Dec 8th 2006

Remember, new technology doesn't kill off older technology; only the adoption of new technology does that.
Also this boycott has nothing to do with making copies of movies. Sony and others want you to think that. But its a smoke screen.
This is about one company, Sony. If Sony gets its blu-ray drive in every home and on computers, then it gets all those big fat Royalty dollars. This is about money people.
I say don't give it all to one company, that will really come back and bite you in the ass.

Posted by Ben at 1am on Sat Dec 9th 2006

It would be very effective if there was some easy way to send emails to movie companies explaining how you object to DRM, and how you plan to boycott attempts to eliminate fair use such as HD-DVD. Activist web pages (for all kinds of issues, energy, civil rights, etc.) do this all the time. In addition, it might help if there was a public petition.

With these two things, Hollywood executives will know that consumers are not buying their products because of DRM, and won't be able to make the excuse that they're losing money to piracy. I don't know if there is any of this, but if not, it would be a good idea.

Posted by Petition at 3:29am on Mon Dec 11th 2006

Good web page, very informative. But I think an unintentional boycott is already occuring.

Nearly every early adopter I know aren't touching either format with a 10 foot pole, myself included. Not so much because of the restrictions and all, but simply for the format war. A lot of us are still stinging from the DVD-Audio vs SACD debacle, and are in no mood to get sting again.

And EVERYONE else I've spoken to about this, either have no clue the new formats even exist or laugh at the prospect of rebuying DVDs again after just gotten through replacing their VHS tapes just a couple of years ago.

This too will crash and burn, and from the ashes and rubble, someone will eventually grow a brain and make a product someone will want.

My advice, unless you are wealthy and can toss a few grand in the toilet for some delicious, short-lived HD movie content.....hold out, enjoy what you have now and warm yourself with the thought of dozens and dozens of marketing execs in both camps getting shit-canned for this mess of their own making.

Mmmm just like sittin' in front of a roaring fire in January!

Posted by Stratocuse at 9:55am on Mon Dec 11th 2006

Whats the point? Fishing for attention? If you don�t like BR or HD-DVD, simply stay away and look for other opportunities to get your weak ego stuffed. Go burn a flag or something

Posted by Max at 11:19pm on Mon Dec 11th 2006

ok maybe this tech is in, yay

tho i am 99% sure it gets crecked within a month of release

by some single guy, possibly just a kid, he spreds it and gets to jail but too late, its just the fact that nobody can stand this kind of challenge :P

Posted by Some Icelandic Guy at 4:05pm on Sat Dec 16th 2006

I think the whole High Def Technology stinks. How much money do these people think we have to burn. From televisions that only play @ 1080i and not 1080p to the networks not changing over in 2006 like they were supposed to. Now we have Blue Ray and HD DVD both real expensive and with movies that are in one format or the other. When I baught my Panasonic 34" CRT, I thought I was buying a television that would produce the highest quality, only to find out that it only produces 1080i and not 1080p or even 720p. I was not aware of this, I'm so angry for all this crap.
From now on I will not buy anything more until they get their act together. Make a player that is of the highest quality and a price that is reasonable $400+ is to much. Discs that are able to be watch on all high def player.
Thanks
Richar C.

Posted by Richard C. at 5:30pm on Sat Dec 16th 2006

Okay, to correct and inject but not to disrespect...

1st, someone said DRM has never been used on consumer equipment. This is wrong. Sony's Minidisc format, the Phillips DCC digital cassette and consumer DAT machines all featured the SCMS serial copy management system. Also, Circuit City and Hollywood had a short-lived DVD version called DivX (Not to be confused with the MPEG4 compression software). It used a phone line. The internet helped lead to the demise of the Divx format, as it will hopefully do with the HD-DVD and BluRay video formats.

I'm all for BlueRay discs as a storage medium. I welcome the ability to store large amounts of data cheaply once the prices fall.

As far as the HDDVD and Bluray, I own an older video projector that uses CRTs. It can do 1600x1280 @ 92hz or so, but uses a VGA style input. HDMI is a dream. The worst part is I went to best buy the other day and they had a new HDMI based DLP projector in the home theater room, and my projector from early 90s seriously blew it AWAY. Black levels, color levels... no competition, and I'm doing 120" diag @ 4:3 while they were doing 16:9 at 80" maybe.

So in the meantime, I've seen some nice high def content on my system via files that come from the internet. It's 12 to 20GB for a 1080i movie in Xvid format. It looks nice. I'd pay $20 for movies if I could watch them in hidef on my system, but being locked out... they just won't get me as a customer until the way future when I can get a equally impressive projector. I think I paid $1000 for my projector with 2000 hours on it, 6 years ago.

As far as Dolby.... I don't think Dolby really matters anymore. They were important in the early days of analog tape, and later in squeezing the center and rear speakers into a stereo audio track on VHS and LD formats... but now with digital audio interfaces we send 6 channels of audio discrete anyways, there is no need for Dolby. THX in the theater is a different beast, and involves people in person evaluating the speakers and sound quality. Home THX stuff is marketing poop.

As far as hackers and crackers, I'd love to see a player for BluRay or HDDVD content so I can play the discs on my PC, feeding my projector. Then I'd buy tons of discs like I do with DVDs now. But if they don't, then I will buy the normal DVD, and download the HD version and store it on a bluray data disc.

As far as copy protection and all of that... I've already started looking at the chipsets used in HDCP compliant monitors to see how hard it would be to make a PCI-X card that inputs HDMI+HDCP into a PC for storage. If you could get both the monitor chipset (that takes HDMI AND HDCP and drives a LCD display) along with xilinx processors to compress the video, that would work.

At some point, the data will leave the digital encrypted world and become unencrypted, even if it's analog signals driving the plasma phosphor pixels. What would be nice is a HDMI+HDCP to Analog VGA converter, maybe throw in that component consumer stuff for good measure.

It's still easier to do this in software, and I can assure you that it will be done. Not because people want the crappy movies, but because it's a challenge.

And I pity anyone who spends $1000 on a Sony BluRay player. Almost everything Sony makes seems to fail prematurely these days. The best you could hope for dropping $1K on a Sony product is 180 days instead of a 90 day warranty. They will die in 2 years flat I bet.

Posted by telemon at 12:38pm on Tue Dec 19th 2006

Is it just me or does it seem like Sony is buying exclusive advertising rights for the Blu Ray players vs HD DVD. I used to see ads for HD DVD players and movies in the Best Buy and Circuit City among other store ads, than Blue Ray finally came out and you only see big full page ads for the Blu Ray and strangely enough, you don't see HD DVD advertised. I could only assume that Sony paid a lot of money to have stores push their format over HD DVD.

Posted by Hardon Thicke at 5:02pm on Tue Dec 19th 2006

If you can't see that the picture difference from 480 to 1080 is huge, you probably just shouldn't ever talk about this issue again.

Posted by Guy with Eyes at 6:15pm on Sun Dec 24th 2006

Hey people.

I bought last year a LCD-TV. Now I can't wait anymore for the new standart. I hope it will be Blu-Ray (cause Playstation 3 will be a success and it has already an blu-ray-drive)

The point is in 10 or maybe 15 years we will have again a new technology. So the people who want to use that tech use them the other stay with "old".

Oh and someone posted a message saying that BMW isn't popular cause noone drives that car. Men you guys don't have an idea about cars.

German cars are the best and not those fucking GM Chrysler, Ford shit like that....

Mercedes and Audi are the best for sure men

So happy x-mas and happy a new year 2007 for all of you.

Bye

Peace on earth fuck George Bush :-)

Posted by Portuguese guy livin in German ... at 10:14pm on Sun Dec 24th 2006

Very interesting site ! Good work ! Nongratulations :)

Posted by Anonymous at 11:46am on Thu Dec 28th 2006

Great page! I think it's cool! When is the next update?

Posted by Anonymous at 11:46am on Thu Dec 28th 2006

Hi! Very nice and beautifull place! Keep it!

Posted by Anonymous at 2:05pm on Thu Dec 28th 2006

You got some legit gripes about the new formats. One thing though-I had a x box 360-and an hdtv I spent 4 grand on. It only cost 200 bucks for the x box hdtv drive(400 for the x box). I gave it a shot and was extremely happy. My cable box was the highest resolution and those hd channels looked great, but I get pixels when there is alot of bright light and action with broadcasted hd signal. With the HDDVD, it is as clear or clearer than cable but with NO pixels at all EVER! It really does suck that blu-ray and HDDVD both exist-especially when you see movies you want on 1 format or the other and not both. I think we will all be saving all our crap on hard drives in the near future,but my computer doesnt have digital sound outputs(so no 5.1 till I get a new 1),and this HDDVD x box drive is definitely the BEST home viewing experience and sharpest picture I could imagine. I wanna boycott these formats but I can't-the picture is too freakin good.

Posted by skullion at 9:28pm on Fri Dec 29th 2006

Hmm lets see.. no one ever thought they would ever break the 640 k barrier, no one ever thought you could buy a PC for less than 5 thousand dollars (yeah, $5000.00.. remember those days? or am I just too old at a young 38..)

no one ever thought you would need more than one hundred megabytes for a hard drive.. and a gigabyte.. whats is that.. way unheard of man...

Now the pc's we have for 500 bucks make those 5000 dollar units look like pocket calculators.

The Truth is Mr anti BluRay in the blink on an eye, everybody will have had bluray for years and are itching to get rid of such old storage devices that hold so little data and have such bad definition to their movie resolutions.

Just wait.. it will happen, just as the above has happened over the years.

Demand will catch up with the industry just like before, and all bluuray tools will get cheaper and the consumers will demand better more user friendly tools from thier bluray tools.. no matter what riaa, or the movie industry is saying now.. public demand will win out..

So don't worry, be happy :-)

I cant afford the stuff myself nor do I want to use it.. but I do think you are being somewhat of an alarmist which is not cool.

And yeah.. there are FREE tools already that work with Blu Ray.. AVS Disk Creator is one of them.. see.. the public already demands satisfaction.

Think about it.
John Phoenix

Posted by johnphoenix@bellsouth.net at 3:54am on Sat Dec 30th 2006

I'd dismantle most of your silly points, but why bother. You're an asshole and assholes refuse to believe they're
wrong. That's more effort than this infantile ranting patch deserves. Why not quit acting the hero and savior. We don't need any more saviors like your sorry ass.

Posted by Perry White, editor of The Daily ... at 1am on Sun Dec 31st 2006

I think you should relax, have a beer and watch a blu ray movie. Who cares about all the stinking politics! Is it not about entertainment? I have a blu ray player and a new HDTV and it is awesome! Buy a new TV already! If you could have afforded one a few years ago (They were really expensive then) you certainly can now.

Posted by Steve at 9:50am on Sun Dec 31st 2006

A very real problem with both blu-ray and hd-dvd is if you have one type of player, and you want to go to a friends house and watch your movie there, you might not be able to because they don't have the same player you have or only DVD, which everyone has.
also I can't rent any blu-ray or hd-dvd's yet, and the line up of movies to buy right now sucks. Unless you think movies like 'little man' are worth spending money on!
The players are way, way to much money too. I will NEVER buy into blu-ray or hd-dvd.

Posted by Anonymous at 9:02pm on Tue Jan 2nd 2007

What I don't understand, and apparently is not as obvious as I thought, is this simple and really cheap solution to the whole copyright/theft problem.

Sell the damn movies/music for a reasonable price. Get them down to 5.00 (3.76 euro) and theft will be reduced to almost zero.

I guess that is just a little too simple for the theiving extortionists in the media industry.

Posted by TuxUser at 9:52am on Wed Jan 3rd 2007

you cant go wrong with 1080p resolution and 25+ GB of storage on one disc, viva la blue ray

Posted by BlueRay at 10:03am on Wed Jan 3rd 2007

Higher resolution is NOT a good enough reason to upgrade. For some reason these days everyone is far too concerned about how everything looks, like video games for example, everyone only wants to see new flashy graphics, not gameplay, just PURE aesthetics. When it comes to the picture quality of DVD's, it's fine... You can see the movie can you not? Must you see every pore on John Travolta's face? No, unless you have an odd niche which I don't need to hear about. The point is, you don't need to see every living cell on someone's face in order to enjoy a movie. I'm content with DVD's as they stand now, so Blu-Ray can suck my dick.

Posted by Ryan Bunting at 1:54pm on Wed Jan 3rd 2007

Great article but guess what everybody?! Welcome to the world of technology! We want to scream about little things about playing a DVD in certain spots but I don't see any one screaming about having financial institutions turning over our customer service questions to third party out of country companies. They have all our SS info and security questions! Hmmm... lets cry about that! But back to the question at hand:

Ok here's the deal. Weather you like it or not I'd have to say the movie industry is doing a great job in protecting itself by moving forward with new formats. Like the article says we've been in the regular DVD format for over 10 years. The music industry failed in changing and didn�t do what technology was providing with them at the time. They were caught in the shorts with napster. But you know what? Now that you have bigger movies and more costly media to copy a DVD, you'll just need to buy it instead of spending a day downloading it, paying over $30 bucks for a Blu Ray DVD, and the time to burn it. Just buy the movie and upgrade. If you buy your copies you're not going to have the problems.

As far as who's going to last the HD DVD and Blu Ray war? I'm hedging with Sony and Blu Ray and I'll tell you why. Every TV maker out there is selling a 1080p television. Now tell me something. Why would I invest over $2500 bucks on a TV system which is sold as a 1080p picture quality and then buy HD DVDs that have a 1080i picture not to mention a lower storage capacity on the DVD? Check what is the demand nowadays... people are screaming for more storage and the trend is now in home theater with superior sound and picture quality. HD DVD has lower storage and lower picture quality than it's counterpart the blu ray dvd. I'm not spending money on HD DVD and knowing in my mind that my picture quality is sitting at 1080i when I can be having a full max out at 1080p. I upgrade only once and that's a max out upgrade. My TV and home theater is running the purest picture quality and I feel good about that. In my fairest opinion there is no war. The TV makers created 1080p so I need a 1080p picture. Blu Ray all the way. :)

Posted by bkman at 8:22pm on Wed Jan 3rd 2007

to petition :
>>It would be very effective if there was some easy way to >>send emails to movie companies...

Movie companies are laughing all the way to the bank. They're organized and have tons of our money sitting in vaults so that they can pay their lawyers to destroy whichever people they wish.

In 1998, Disney and the MPAA paid tons of money to Congress and the recent round of extension, plus the NET act which basically sets up the government as the strong arm of the movie and music industry. According to the MPAA, all rights should last forever. That's easy to say for them as they own most of the rights. But for the average citizen, it's impossible to obtain permission from the movie moguls, and it stifles creativity, the exact thing that Congress is supposed to fight against per their powers granted to them by the Constitution.

Why do I care? Because if you sit back and think of this, each year, more of our population inadvertantly become felons by accidentally or thoughtlessly using music or pictures or video in the wrong manner, which technically can leave them penniless if attacked by the MPAA or RIAA. What angers me is that since the MPAA and RIAA doesn't do it all at once, they attack us piece-meal, one by one, so that we don't even know what's hitting us. Most of us think a pirate is someone that infringes upon someone's copyright. I think they're the pirates from paying Congress off and forcing upon us a draconian set of laws that, if used against us WILL leave us penniless and poor if we choose to fight it, even if we're completely in the right and never broke a law.

So please, I like to keep my content on DVD, becuase at least the format is well-known enough and I trust that a DVD will work if I choose to view it on my TV that does not have HDMI cables. If we move to blue-ray or even HD-DVD the MPAA has an easy switch to turn us off to anything but the most expensive equipment that is designed to lock us out of even watching the content on the TV of our choice.

Posted by rastyk at 2:01am on Thu Jan 4th 2007

Regarding copyright. The law allows an owner of any media to make one copy for himself. Unfortunately, this is not allowed by "The Industry".
DVD, and I would imagine Blue-ray/HD DVD, is a very easily damaged media. If handled in a normal fashion, this media will become unuasable in a very short time.
So we turn to making copies to protect the original.
No any more.

Well "The Industry" has done a great job buying favor in US governments to "protect" their rights. Greate. But what about the user?
Scratch a disk? You can always buy another.

I think this is a little one sided.
If "The Industry" is going to clamp our rights by no allowing copy, then they should provide a means of delivering copies for damaged product.

Posted by TuxUser at 8:36am on Thu Jan 4th 2007

Great article! I think your best point is that we already have the ability for HD content on DVD media.

My friend gave me a copy of a 1920x1080 version of an Imax film, in MPEG-1 format with Dolby Digital 5.1. It fit on a single-layer DVD-R, and the picture quality was fantastic. (Too bad my Xbox is too slow to play it, but my PC does.)

And I don't care how hard they try; if they have digital media, the copy protection WILL be cracked. And their content WILL be re-encoded to MPEG-4 or something else that can be used freely. They might as well give up and make their content easy to view instead; then we wouldn't have to be so hesitant about buying it.

Posted by Raptor007 at 1:46am on Fri Jan 5th 2007

I think a simple idea should be remembered.

"If I can see it, I can copy it"

In my opinion,
The whole idea of higher resolution, more definition, etc was dreamed up by the media industry for one purpose.
To enable them to deliver movies in a more secure way.
Let's face it. They are really only interested in selling product, not good product.
They would be perfectly happy to put out trash movies on dvd media, if there was a way to secure their copyright.

If they had attempted to provide the same product but with a more secure encryption that made all existing players obsolete, the world would have had a fit.

So they throw you a bone. If you want our NEW (?) high definition (So what) then you have to by a new home theater system.
Oh, and by the way, you will not be able to backup, or watch on open architecture systems, or ....

Simple plan for simple people.

Posted by TuxUser at 8:24am on Fri Jan 5th 2007

i have a ps3 and blu-ray rox so yea!!!!!!!

Posted by ps3 man at 9:38pm on Fri Jan 5th 2007

I saw the blu-ray once and its a good format so holly crapola to that

Posted by alex robbyson at 9:41pm on Fri Jan 5th 2007

Microsoft is coming out with a new disc similiar to blu-ray but possibly better it is based on a technological sytem of uv lighting and laser optictry so youll all have to wait a while...

Posted by Gill Bates at 9:59pm on Fri Jan 5th 2007

The MPAA maintains it has every right to limit copying of movies, comparing DVDs to pay-per-view where the consumer is allowed to view the movie in question but nothing more. Many are concerned that the organization is attempting to quash fair use by disallowing consumers to make personal copies.

Posted by Anonymous at 1:11am on Sun Jan 7th 2007

i say boycot sony and the rest and share all the media you can with other p2p users. the real criminals are thease people that want 20 bucks off a movie forever

Posted by sharkull at 1:57pm on Tue Jan 9th 2007

I have a PS3 and Love watching Bluray movies on it. To bad ur missing out.

Posted by Caleb at 11:52pm on Tue Jan 9th 2007

Some people will crak it, and What I pay is mine forever.
The scumbags are the greedy film industry...
God will punish them and all people that agreed with them and that trorized the Citezens of the world... lol O=)

Long live people of good will ...........................

Posted by God > Power with no control is very dangerous at 8:37pm on Sat Jan 13th 2007

Charter of Rights and freedoms says that I have to respect your opinion so i do.

But your ARTICLE sucks

Posted by Dude no offence at 7:02pm on Wed Jan 17th 2007

People that like sony and have been posting here saying blu-ray will win because of the PS3 should start reading what the gaming industry has been saying.
For example,

The mystery of the PS3 is continuing to trouble the gaming industry as the question; revolutionary or disastrous? Requires an answer.

Many readers are reluctant to accept any view on the PS3 as they read ulterior motives into opinionated editorials. Now, one of the most respected figures in gaming has decided to make his views public and has described Sony's new console as a total disaster. Speaking to GameInformer Mr. Newell said, The PS3 is a total disaster on so many levels, I think It's really clear that Sony lost track of what customers and what developers wanted. I'd say, even at this late date, they should just cancel it and do a "do over". Just say, "This was a horrible disaster and we're sorry and we're going to stop selling this and stop trying to convince people to develop for it". The happy story is the Wii. I'm betting that by Christmas of next year, the Wii has a larger installed base than the 360. Other people think I'm crazy. I really like everything that Nintendo is doing.

It is clear that Sony needs developers on its side if it is to succeed, developer support is, after all, what brought on the phenomenal success of the PlayStation brand. Mr. Newell's comments are a sign that Sony may be losing the support of the developer community. Since it is hard to argue that Valve, or Mr. Nnewell have something to gain from the failure of the PS3 we have to pay additional attention to the comments he made as he remains a very influential figure in the industry.

(AND)--
American technology research analyst, Paul-Jon McNealy has said that more than half of retailers surveyed had PS3s in stock while all were out of Nintendo's Wii. The statement suggests that demand for Sony's console may be weakening as the pre-release hype dies down.

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Well I ran into a few problems with what I had read with your article. First point is that Sony, Disney, and a few others publish movies on Blue-Ray DVD's. The rest is pretty much blue-ray and HD-DVD. Now the cables are cheap, unless you want to spend the money for gold plated. As far as having to be hooked to the internet when watching blue-ray or hd-dvd's that is a line of shit. I drive a semi. I have a Xbox 360 with the HD-DVD player, and I also have a Sony Playstation 3 that playes Blue-Ray DVD's. Now my semi doesn't have internet unless I'm at a truck stop parked for the night. So when I'm sitting with my truck parked on a ramp off the interstate I am able to watch those movies with no internet connection. Also I have a sony blue-ray DVD player at home that does not have a ethernet or wireless network setup in it. Now for the free software item I agree that software for those types of DVD should not be free right now just simply because of how new the technology is. Eventually the software will be free. See there is many more points I could make about this, but I just don't want to. You need to fully RESEARCH your material before you put a article on the internet for everyone to read. Yes I have a lot of regular DVD's, and yes some of them I have replaced with new HD or Blue-Ray dvd's just because at home I like the HD technology. But I still but the regular DVD's and sometimes I will buy a dvd on the hd or blue-ray. I WILL NOT BOYCOTT THE USE OF THESE DVD's. Linux isn't setup for everything yet.

Posted by Justin at 2:16am on Wed Nov 7th 2007

I also forgot to post, my Blue-Ray dvd player only cost me $400.00 and that is one made by Sony. It's actually the PS3, and the hd-dvd player was only $200 and that's the one that hooks up to my Xbox 360. you need to check a whole lot better on your prices. You material isn't that good on most of it. I do know a lot about this stuff in the article, because I have a few family members that deal with that technology in their career.

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Posted by BoititteKnova at 8:42am on Fri Nov 23rd 2007

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Just because you have a cousin that works at Best Buy does not mean you have relatives that 'deal with technology'. When this article was posted, all prices were around the amount stated.

Also, of you actually read the article, you would see that the internet connection refered to was in a 'To be implemented' feature of Blu Ray...not curenntly.

More importantly, you missed the entire point of the article. But, like the majority of sheep americans, "I bahhs what eva I sees owan da Tee Vee" Like War, corperate technology, no need for habeas corpus...whatever.

The point of the article is that THERE IS NO NEED FOR BLU RAY!! There are other CURRENT technologies that would put HD content on standard DVDs.

Nothing said in this article is wrong. Read it like you should the newspaper in the morning. Not just browsing sports scores.

Posted by Anit-Idiot Truckdriver Justin at 7:21am on Sun Nov 25th 2007

I perfer using the old DVDs. They want us to spend money on technology that they think is right for us. For example switching our televisions to digital television. I am proud of my television. We should not have to change. We are supposed to have freedom of choice. We are losing our freedom. We need to take it back. We as customers should not bullied into buying technology that is not needed. Dvds are another source that takes our freedom of chioce. The digital televisions will not show their true picture with the old dvds.

Posted by The New Guy at 4:59pm on Tue Nov 27th 2007

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I have basically quit buying CDs, DVDs, Satellite TV services, Cable TV services, and things like that. I haven't been to a movie in about 4 years for two main reasons; they haven't made a movie worth my time and the cost of it, and I can't turn the volume down to a reasonable level and they hurt my ears. I think I should buy stock in hearing aids since we have a deaf generation approaching!

There is very little reason, in my humble opinion, to further increase the quality of the video or audio systems. The main reason for this is that there is no corresponding increase in the quality of the program material! It simply sucks! I would rather look at a small shadow on some young ladies pretty face than increase the definition and have to look at a zit instead! The foul language is becoming tiresome! All we get is sex and violence or violent sex anymore. If you are old enough to remember, you never heard Roy Rogers or Gene Autry utter a bad word during a whole movie!

The commercials on radio and TV have their audio compressed to the point that if you turn the volume down to a reasonable level you then can't hear the dialog when it comes back on. We used to have decent engineers who took care to level these things out a little, but the modern marketing people are in control and want to be sure you can hear the commercial crap even if you are taking out the trash to the other side of the garage! I'm sick of it, and I have reduced my TV watching time by some 80 percent. I don't have call waiting or caller ID or any other frill on my telephone; my only luxury with ma bell is DSL!

Open source is the only way we will ever be able to restore control to the common man! POWER TO THE PEOPLE! We can do it if we all work together; unfortunately most people are quite lazy and complacent in these matters and simply elect to go with the flow, even if they get hit by floating crap.

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Despite the different type of lasers used, Blu-ray products can easily be made backwards compatible with CDs and DVDs through the use of a BD/DVD/CD compatible optical pickup unit. The benefit of using a blue-violet laser (405nm) is that it has a shorter wavelength than a red laser (650nm), which makes it possible to focus the laser spot with even greater precision. This allows data to be packed more tightly and stored in less space, so it's possible to fit more data on the disc even though it's the same size as a CD/DVD. This together with the change of numerical aperture to 0.85 is what enables Blu-ray Discs to hold 25GB/50GB.

So let me ask you HD DVD fans....can your player keep up with that?? New computers are getting faster and faster. Wouldn't you think a faster data rate is the next step in home entertainment?

Posted by Nuttdriver at 6:49pm on Fri Dec 21st 2007

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You buy or get offered media you can't use.
If you are not rolling in money and have the luck of having a computer with a dvd player.
How come in order to enjoy a DVD, one should look elsewhere?
The f*ing BluerayDisc hidden by labels and packaging... ohh there are logos that where not covered yet so small.
In fighting against piracy, some technology is encouraging it.
As a consumer, I would say it looks as if the Pirates have become the good guys and the Corps the bad ones.
Pirates seem to battle for the publics interest and freedom. The corps seem to be fighting only for the interest of their execs.
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Posted by BLURAY at 11:24pm on Mon Dec 24th 2007

Like Henry Ford said "...you can have any color you want, as long as its black!..."

They build them so they control them and hence all of us.

so PC-WISE:

well, all of us, can start making our own movies, developing our own "OpenSource" hardware/software/players/videocards/...mmmm, sounds like building a new PC planet Earth to me?
but bottom line, unless we comply with M$/Sony/greedy Movie exec's/... and "their" rules' only, then we can't play HD/BD discs/movies.

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(hdcp-compliant)LCD/TV/Monitor -$1600
-Nvidia 8800GTS (/w hdcp DVIx port) -$400
-LG HD/BD SATA player -$300
-(MB/memory/cpu upgrade) -$700 (forget HD unless you think you can play it on your old crappy Celeron...?)
-M$ Vista64 Ultimate -300
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now that was his PC, roughly people will have to pay near that for a separate Home equivalent system...
-it'll be cheaper on newegg(in future), but it's still a BIG chunk of COIN babies!

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Windows Media Player 11 ? still doesn't even play HD/BD's ?
-like WTF is that all about ! can someone tell us that !?

Do those over-paid corporate eexecutive fools have any idea just how much the average consumer will have to dole out and for what! this little bit of extra video enjoyment.
-errr, of course they do :(

anyway, He was dual-booting Linux/FreeBSD for years (backing up his DVD's for awhile :)
and he was very happy with it.
In the meantime, I'm slowly setting up Ubuntu for him so he can atleast do what he wants with his new collection of HD/BD discs too.

The point is He PAID for THIS HARDWARE to play HD/BD's so let him play it on Linux/FreeBSD/OpenSOLARIS or whatever?
In other words, Microsoft and company has no legal juristiction keeping easily documented (hardware)source code from Unix developers who would gladly port it freely themselves.

DRM/HDCP/AA/ASS/CS --ha ha ha a lot of wasted time development and taxpayers' money for nothing!

-(Microsoft's)DRM is nuthin' but an illegal profiteering and monopolization of hardware.
M$ OS is just a crap spyware OS that doesn't belong on any hardware anymore.-let alone in any Movie Industry.
Can someone please "BOOT" M$ outta the hardware manufacturing business's and then change the locks so they can't come back in !
Bill, do what you do best-making Windows and Windows' Apps,...and that's it pleeeeze.

Just let nvidia, ati, ... conrol all the graphics, Video, and Movie playback abilities on all PC's,...so "all" users can enjoy any new and future technologies. People will also buy more hardware and enjoy it more "freely".

While we're at it, maybe Sun Microsystems with their still-renowned-reliable-bullit-proof Hardware and NetOS can replace this stooopid antiquiated x86 scrapware architecture finally.
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Geeezus, I just can't wait for the day that Linux, the BSD's, Solaris,...? push M$ outta the Desktops for good.

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I have a question for all you tech heads. I use that discription as a compliment!

I just received a new Blu-ray from my wife for Christmas. I quickly hooked it up via new "Monster" HDMI cabels (8'@ $119.00 and 4'@ $79.00 from Radio Shack)

My questions is, why does the Blu-ray movies show with a black bar at the top and bottom of my 63" HDTV. When I am watching HDTV via cable, the intire screen is used.

Is there something I'm doing wrong, or is this how they are intented to be viewed. If that is the case I will return the BR disc player and the over priced cables.

By the way, I can't tell much difference between my
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I appreciate your article. We have a rather large collection of VHS tapes (remember them?). My wife and I had spent what I feel was a small fortune over the years on this collection. Then came the DVD format. We enjoyed many of the movies we had on VHS, especially the Disney movies. Technologie being what it is, i knew, it was only a matter of time before we would need to replace these. Yes you may still buy a VHS player, but not much longer because they are getting as rare as hens teeth. Only one out of about six or seven VHS tapes could be transfered to DVD (Macrovision). I resented this! DVD's, it seems, are more expensive than the VHS tapes were. Why should I pay for the same movie twice? Be that as it may, I have slowly made the transition to DVD. I am happy with this format now having obtained many of the movies (not all)I had on VHS. HD or Blue-Ray may offer higher resolution but I can honestly say that I am quite happy with the resolution I have with DVD. I have seen HDTV and, although impressive, I feel DVD is adequate for my needs. I do not need to view the zits on some actors face. But it appears that the powers that be (hollywood, sony, etc.) need more of my money! They want to fuck me a third time! They can kiss my ass. If I need to change again I will become a pirate! I have come to appreciate that, for the most part, this new technology every ten to fifteen years is designed to continually seperate me from my hard earned cash! What can I say? I am so tired of this! All I want is the movie that me and my family can watch 2 or 3 times a year. If I buy it once, even twice, why should I be required to pay for it again? When I buy a new car at least it is a DIFFERENT new car! I do not mind paying for a DIFFERENT new movie. But pay for the same movie 3 or 4 times? GET REAL! But that's my two (2) cents worth.

Posted by Barney Google at 8:36pm on Sun Dec 30th 2007

I have recently purchased a Sony Blue Ray DVD player .. had no problem hooking it up to my year old HDTV, using the one of many HDMI spot's. The Picture is Amazing, not to mention 7.1 audio i understand its expensive, for some people, and like anything that is new, its going to be if you don't want to wait for the price to come down over time, but after seeing what I seen, DVD to Blue Ray, I regret not buying the Blue Ray player the day it was 1st interdicted, regardless of the cost :)

remember, you have to pay to play ! just like any hobby ... :)

Posted by Reece at 12:21am on Mon Dec 31st 2007

Anonymous wrote "My questions is, why does the Blu-ray movies show with a black bar at the top and bottom of my 63" HDTV. When I am watching HDTV via cable, the intire screen is used."

I am by no means an expert, but it could have something to do with the aspect ratio of the movie you're watching. My HDTV is 1.85:1 ratio. When I watched Spiderman 3, it was in 2.35:1 ratio, hence there were black bars. I then watched Apocalypto, and the whole screen was filled, as that movie is in the 1.85:1 ratio.

So, anamorphic widescreen versus regular wide screen. Hope this helps.

Posted by Entry level tech geek at 4:36pm on Tue Jan 1st 2008

the problem is drm, but who cares anyway? if i am able to buy these things so what? i would still buy it. It is for my own pleasure and not the pleasure of other people. i will be watching the movies in the comfort of my own home and not in the park so who cares about buying additional equipments? Those people who hates DRM are mostly pirates. you would want to copy this material to your computer and re-encode and transfer it to an ipod or what have you. It will only be a problem to those people who plans something beyond the actual purpose. still hd-dvd and bluray are a notch higher to perfection. If you can't buy one then shut your mouth and drool. Just my two cents.

Posted by THE EAR at 9:28pm on Fri Jan 4th 2008

Loved the article! As far as I�m concerned, the Corporations that bring us our Entertainment are jealous of the Gaming Industries that have been screwing us over for years and making Billions of Dollars on our stupidity. So Now � They see that we are stupid enough to buy a hugely expensive New Game Players every other year with new games that only work on that player and old ones won�t. � They Think � Hey! Why don�t we make that retarded public buy a New Movie Player every other year and make them re-buy the same movies over and over. I for one, am not falling for it.

Posted by Anonymous at 4:52am on Wed Jan 9th 2008

sorry but personally i dont think you have a proper knowlege of the subject when you are talking about the encryption and licencing as well as the comment about other os's besides windows and apple not having support. belive me when i sat ther wi ALWAYS be someone that finds a way arond these problems be it support or copying etc...

prices will drop just look at dvds they used to break the bank now look �10 for 50 discs. cd players were the same whe they came out.

just stop bashing them, present the facts let people decide dont force your opinion down our necks.

Posted by j100 at 4:48pm on Thu Jan 10th 2008

Well, if it's not clear enough, it's not about cost or technology, it's about crappy DRM and the will of the movie industry to control everything related to the digital distribution of content.
I only hope broadband kills this ill-fated and archaic mean of distribution. On demand, DRM free, HD content delivery is the future of digital distribution. Disk media is DEAD.
For those of you who don't see DRM as a real problem, I'm very sorry for you. You're being controled without your knowledge (or with your approval, wich is maybe worst.)
Anyways, I made a spanish translation of this information, wich you can see here: http://patatas.damianvila.com/2008/01/10/el-blu-ray-apesta/
Regards.

Posted by Demian at 1:02am on Fri Jan 11th 2008

Dude, with all do respect, you're an idiot! It sounds like you're one of these guys who thinks for the twenty dollar purchase price of a disk you should own all copyright to movies that cost MILLIONS of dollars to make. Ridiculous!

The only way to exploit the full potential of the latest 1920x1080p HD T.V.s is through Bluray. Believe me, it is amazing. The visible res actually seems better than when the movies appeared in the theater!

In regard to having to replace your set, the computer industry is the same way--every few years, you have do replace your computer because it can't run the latest software anymore. Do you have websites telling people to boycott the computer industry as well?

Finally, the latest Bluray players have the ability to increase their functionality by upgrading their firmware for free. With DVD, if your player did not play the latest disk technology you had to replace the DVD player entirely. Where is your site for boycotting the DVD industry?

Instead of taking the whining, cheapskate approach to new technology, why not just come to the realization that once most people adopt Bluray, they will be blown away by the qualitiy of their viewing experience and it will be worth every penny to them.

Or, you can remain in your one bedroom basement apartment with your 20 inch 1972 Westinghouse set complaining about how the whole world is against you.

I, on the other hand have an afternoon of great Bluray movie watching ahead of me.

Posted by Anonymous at 11:03am on Sun Jan 13th 2008

I hate Blu-Ray, what a waste of money. A great way for Sony to make a ton of money. Stupid!

Posted by Johnny at 1:09pm on Sun Jan 13th 2008

This sucks I will never get bue ray

Posted by Mike P at 9:15pm on Sun Jan 13th 2008

I love Blue-ray it's worth every penny

Posted by The whole world at 9:35am on Thu Jan 17th 2008

i like your pennys.

Posted by Bill Gates at 5:14pm on Thu Jan 17th 2008

I would Like to hear a " real " reason why some of the people do not like " Blu Ray " because all i have gotten from this post is BS a few things .. 1. a few of you are afraid of change, ( maybe your " just " hitting DVD from VHS , I dont know ) 2. Don't like it, because you dont have the $$..lol. or 3. are running out of things to bitch about .. cause if you watched a movie on Blu Ray, you wouldn't be posting anything bad about it... its funny, you bitch about Blue Ray etc .. but yet you havent said anything about the HDTV's. why spend the $$ on a HDTV if your not going to use its features.. I will never go back to DVD..lol.. after seeing a blu ray movie... regardless of the price, you pay for what you get, if you dont have the $$, stick to VHS/DVD. but when you do have the $$ do the smart thing, Get a blue ray player, and stop the bitching........

Don't know if everyone knows this, but just incase, if you have gotten a blu ray player, check out www.bluraysavings.com for some " 5 Free " Movies ....

Reece

Posted by Reece at 12:08am on Sun Jan 20th 2008

WTF is blueray. i just drove an hour to target and back to realize that the james bond dvd i bought is actually an encrypted "blue ray" disk that if i want to watch i have to buy a "blue ray player" that costs an obcene amount of money. I swear to god i bet at least 40% of people who buy blue ray thought they bought a dvd. totally engeneered to have people rebuy their dvds and dvd players as if the cuality is significantly better.

i hate blue ray, they obviously made it non compatible with dvd drives to make people buy their crappy yet expensive thing, they actually demand you buy their player and even then you cant watch or lend the movies to friends... such a rip off i swaer to god.

Posted by Maximilian at 2:28pm on Sun Jan 20th 2008

Further more its like there telling you that you have to be an obedient little consumer and your only allowed to play blue ray dvds on your crappy blueray drive if you buy it... but thats not all, you wont be allowed to watch YOUR MOVIE until youve conected the thing to the internet (which you might not even have) so they can verify that your not doing any illegal copies of the encrypted thing you cant play on anything else... since when do dvds assume your a criminal and screen you before they can be played?

i cant imagine a more agravating experience to be able to watch a movie that YOU PAID FOR. im returning this crappy blue ray dvd tomorrow... dont let blue ray rape your right to watch a movie withought any bs.

Posted by Maximilian again at 3:13pm on Sun Jan 20th 2008

whats ironic about this reese guy is that he is not a real person and but some douch hired by the blue ray monopoly to try and make it seem that people think (very tranparent) blue ray is worth buying. a pathetic attempt of corporate of propaganda to make you buy a product that literally has to know through an internet conection what movies you choose to watch... very much like the patriot act "youve got nothing to hide let us spy on you" type thing.

i hope this technology dies soon and becomes obsolet and that no idiots buy into this monopoly. i also hope the ass that put these things right next to dvds a slow death

Posted by Maximilian the pissed off at 3:56pm on Sun Jan 20th 2008

I'm ignoring movies in HD all together because I don't own an HD television but I'm buying a Blu-ray internal media drive for my computer.

The $399 LG drive records to Blu-Ray media at 6x speed (144 Mbps). It will read HD-DVDs but not record to them. TDK has successfully tested 100 GB and 200 GB Blu-ray disks. That means a hard-drive backup on one disk for me!

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Posted by Me at 10:17am on Tue Jan 22nd 2008

As I sit back in my comfy office chair reading all of your sniveling, I feel as if I am watching ants in an ant farm. I am referring to the comments concerning this media war. It hasn't affected me in the least and I will explain why.

It all started long ago in 1986 when I was just 9 years old. I discovered that in the stores, they sold this thing called a blank cassette. Now why would anyone want to buy a cassette with no music on it?? Well, I asked my mother that question and she informed me that you could put your own music on them to make an audio cassette. Since that time I have not purchased a single piece of media (Digital or Analogue) unless it was blank. The fact that you can download pretty much ANYTHING that you desire is something that arouses me immensely and I am now entirely accustomed to Downloading and/or "Renting to Own". I have now dedicated my life to piracy and have even drastically reduced my need for the Microsloth Operating Systems for various reasons.

Everyone on this planet has the power to TAKE whatever they feel is theirs. The Internet, Google, Yahoo, I have used these tools for years to gather information to circumvent protection systems on Sega CD, The playstation and PS2, and the xbox. Yes, and lets not forget, when the xbox 360 gets a tad more reliable and the process gets easier, I'm gonna take those games also. It just seems so foolish to me to pay for a DVD, or A CD, or whatever other media types "them" greedy bastards can concoct.

Oh yea, and on to these new duplication countermeasures. Don't worry people. if there is anyone reading this that currently reaps the benefits of piracy, then you know that Sony copy protections are a joke and are easily circumvented. Hell, You can pop a PS2 game in your computer and any idiot who knows how to use Nero Burning Rom can dupe it and not to mention that crap about the HD DVD encryption Keys, Yea, A laugh. So it won't be long and those of you who actually shell out the dough to buy these crap disks will soon be able to remove whatever you want from them and....

Watch a movie!! What a concept!!

Anyway, My point, As many readers here are probably wondering, Is that if you don't like the prices or restrictions of these new format movies, don't buy them, TAKE them. The best thing about being a "Pirate" is that all these restrictions and DRM and AACR and sh*t only annoy those who pay for it. Imagine that... Pirates don't see any of it because by the time these Hi-Def movies meet the net, All that sh*t has been removed. Peace to the Suckers!! Love to the fu*kers

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Posted by unfodiumn at 12:10am on Thu Jan 24th 2008

To say both Blue & HD suck is complete idiotic !!!

Posted by motogp34 at 10:23am on Sat Jan 26th 2008

Someones trying to make there opinion fact again.Its a free country you dont like dont buy it.All this shows is someone who has to much time on there hands.I bet hlf the people posting on here have ever voted for anything besides what color the next m&m will be.Theres biggers issues in the world than complaining about crap like this.

Posted by Nate at 12:14am on Mon Jan 28th 2008

anyway, this tech is for someone who is seeking New tech..

but later, it will lead main stream.

not ready to buy, but I`m afraid of how much I have to spend my money..

thanks for the Article. really useful, I didn`t realize this before..

Posted by earl at 2:04am on Mon Jan 28th 2008

Blu-ray, HD-DVD, ...all is fair and nice but do I fu*** really need them? I just started getting comfy with DVD's and now I have to dole out more money for some fancy but absolutely irrelevant coding scheme; forget the fact that my hands will be tied and my choices will be pretty much screwed. Who the heck complained that, "DVDs just plain suck...we need something better?" Not me, but, may be the big fat money grubbing capitalist and his cronies (not IEEE or some really concerned technology group). I say f* 'em!

Posted by EKVid at 8:02pm on Tue Jan 29th 2008

im no bill gates shaft sucker like xbox fans are im pure nintendo i dont back obsolete designs ps3 and x360 are both obsolete......

blu ray and hd dvd are both obsolete THAT IS FACT SONY FANBOYS

spinning discs red by lasers is the past the future is

solid state media flash etc

and broadband feed media

i just watched i am legend in 720p resolution with 5.1 surround sound free totally free streamed from the internet

blu ray is dead just like umd

Posted by wiiboy101akacubeboy101 at 3:13pm on Fri Feb 1st 2008

blu-ray is the future an its here to stay.no use bitching we will all be using it for the next 10 years at least.

Posted by carlosUK at 10:11am on Sun Feb 3rd 2008

man i am looking for a week to buy a player and to much info.
what a fck system really its all bullshit for now.
let then come with a solution for us the consumers,which make at least possible to use are dvd cd x vid u name it and dvd and hd blueray in one player without restrictions ore limits
i burn 10 good qualitie movies on line a week normal dvd
yes and i love it so fck al the big boys and there toys .
man u are right it SUCKS

Posted by hanzel at 10:03am on Tue Feb 5th 2008

This site is pathetic. Sure the system is messed up. Sure there are problems. But can you honestly say this is the biggest problem we have to deal with??
HELL NO!

Putting up a website like this and giving it such a juvenile name is retarded. There is nothing you can do, or this page of yours, to change or stop what is happening. First off, you act like this is so bad it is destroying the world. Well I'm sorry but this is a luxury item and the things that are worth getting so upset about are happening in countries like Darfur, where you would be lucky to live if you posted a comment like this against their government.

The fact is, Blu-ray is going to happen, whether you like it or not. This little website of yours is not going to change a damn thing so complain all you want, it won't matter. You should not use such a stupid name for it either, cause no one will take it seriously.

This site is pointless, poorly informed, biased, and just plain stupid.

Posted by CptGreedle at 3:56pm on Thu Feb 7th 2008

First of all, if you dislike Blu-ray and HD-DVD, then why not just boycott it yourself? Unless your trying to create a huge riot against it why would you..?

If you don't like them then just don't buy them yourself and let other people enjoy the High-Definition graphics.

Also about the other comments, what matters if you being to think about re-buying your favorite movies? You don't HAVE to... it's your own free will to pay 20 dollars more for replacement of an old dvd standard cd.

And again, If u don't like it, Don't buy it

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Posted by boycott at 5:33pm on Sat Feb 9th 2008

The biggest reason not to buy Blu-ray or HD-DVD: The formats were already obsolete during their introduction. The future for movie viewing lies with hard disk players and video-on-demand, not bulky plastic disks that need to be purchased in a shop and are prone to scratching.

Posted by James at 2:12pm on Sun Feb 10th 2008

I can't help it.. I allmost never place comments, but come on.

I can't see the problem at all? So this guy says new technology shouldnt be invented unless the public says so? Its not like they are gonna stop producing DVDs. As long as people bye DVDs, there will be DVDs.

And Blu-Ray is needed when it comes to next gen games. Unless you want your games to be on 4 discs.

I honestly write this for myself, because I just cant see the problem? No one is forcing anyone to buy blu-ray equipement. Whining about that it shouldnt be produced because you cant afford it yourself is just plain silly. Thats just like saying "Ferrari sucks get it off the market" because you can't afford one.

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Posted by Tho at 3:58am on Sat Feb 16th 2008

Great article;

Unfortunately this is the tip of the iceberg; ALL appliances; cameras; phones; every single type of media; and computer is subject to compatibility; lets not forget software; upgrades put out on regular basis with limited returns each time; how many pixel can the eye see; frecuencies can the ear determine;

What is needed is a COMSUMER UNION to take complete control; Do you think each person would pay 5 dollars to develop a system that could garentee; that my camera with work with my computer; audio; video; people could sace thousands of dollars each year; milloins a people backing a group w/ a tech advisers and force ALL mfg's to go thru the PEOPLES UNION (with a seal) to put Absolute control on certain aspects of new and then useless things we have all bought.

The Union of the people could them control these companies under threat of total boycott.

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Posted by HD-DVD is DEAD!! haha!! at 2:38pm on Mon Feb 18th 2008

I have a massive DVD collection I blew all the money I earned in my teens on and I'm not replacing it with another format. The thing is new movies in general suck, I like old films anyways and it doesn't seem like the type of movies I'm into (cult films, spaghetti westerns, classic world cinema) will ever make it to a new format. The only films I see being released on Blu-Ray are THE LAMEST special effects films that people buy simply because its a movie on a new format you can spend money on. Its so hilarious seeing the brand new super fucking advanced blow your goddamn mind technology offering up the lamest most worthless flicks of the new CGI age. Or even worse, guy holding cell phone driving a car pointing a gun with impossibly shakey camera genre. I'm against the new in general despite being in the prime target age range, but if they stop making DVD players sooner than they should I'm going to be one pissed off motherfucker.

Posted by Chuck at 1:01pm on Tue Feb 19th 2008

blue ray is great and all especialy for the game kids still sucking mommy and daddys thumb. i think they suck, for 1 they want 40k to liscense aacs to print anything on blueray on hd-dvd it was no problem. Kind of strange huh. my gut feeling tells me hd-dvd will be in every computer in the future for installs etc.. and that blue ray guys.. well hey.. you got yourself a nice LASER DISC PLAYER AGAIN.. i bet some of you even bought that stupid thing. shame on you idiot tech buyer. wait for iptv. =)

Posted by great stufff at 5:29pm on Tue Feb 19th 2008

I boycott these formats simply by downloading high quality HD DVD rips. In general, a 720p x264 or other HD format rip is 4.37 gigs (fitting on 1 dvd), and 1080p rips are made to fit on a dvd9. Fuck bluray however because the rips from bluray are in a strange format (.ts), and the playback isnt as neat and perfect as HDDVD rips playback is. for that reason alone i despise bluray, as funny as it seems, because the pirated format of it isnt as nice as the pirated format of hddvds. LOL. but yes, everyone please take a look at this for the sheer amount of HDDVD rips already online:
http://www.mininova.org/search/hd+dvd/size

yes, download my pretties, and fuck buying actual hd dvd players. go build an htpc instead and hook it to your hdtv.

Posted by Cold0ne at 8:11pm on Tue Feb 19th 2008

Well Blue ray Won So I'm glad i own my PS3 and all it's glory. It's a shame for all the HD-DVD Owners out there that now own a paperweight.

Posted by Ted at 5:33am on Wed Feb 20th 2008

Also if you must buy a player for it to hook up to your tv, wait until the bluray/hddvd combo players come out. it probably wont be too long, warner has announced they are gonna keep making hddvd movie releases until may, the combo players are surely coming.

Posted by Cold0ne at 3:07pm on Wed Feb 20th 2008

Rest assured, laddy! 'tis already been done!

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Posted by fagot ball licker at 9:54pm on Thu Feb 21st 2008

If Blu-ray is so amazing, why are the two biggest film series in film history not even Blu-ray � LOTR & Star Wars?

If Blu-ray could really upgrade regular DVDs to 1080, why should anyone buy the expensive Blu-ray discs?

How can Blu-ray claim that 2.35:1 films actually be 1080? 1080 Blu-ray films aren�t really 1080 if the aspect ratio is greater than 1.78:1. The letterboxed �dead space� on the top and bottom is part of the 1080 lines; since they are blank you�re obviously not seeing a full 1080 resolution.

Why does Blu-ray have those annoying black bars on the top and bottom? A person can spend thousands of dollars on an HD TV and Blu-ray Discs don�t even use the whole screen! Isn�t that a waste?

How can Blu-ray claim to be �The look and sound of perfect?� We were told that about DVD�s when they first came out. Inevitably, future technology will bring higher resolution and sound, so Blu-ray is not perfect, it could be better.

Posted by Anonymous at 10:32am on Fri Feb 22nd 2008

previous poster,

bluray and hddvd movies both dont fill the screen because movies when released to theaters are in aspect ratios wider than 16:9 which is what an HD TV is. most HDTV shows are exactly made to fit 16:9 res, but movies are filmed for wider theater screens. Maybe in the far future they will make TVs which are going to be Super widescreen. the maximum widescreen of any movie filmed has been 2.40:1, its almost 2x wider than a regular tv (4:3 ratio).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspect_ratio_%28image%29

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Posted by Anonymous at 2:35pm on Tue Feb 26th 2008

if you dont like what new technology has to offer than i hope you do boycott because you are the only ones missing out on a great thing. i will bet that you will eventually buy one in the future. that right you still have a real to real player. technology changes daily.

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Posted by zxevil137 at 3:23am on Mon Mar 3rd 2008

Will we have a choice at this point? won't they just stop making regular old dvd's, and ONLY blu ray at this point? I mean, playing devils ad.-

These people arent dumb,and they realize that a standard american, who isn't THAT pressed about wow'ing guests and company, probably doesnt give two squats about the difference btwn blu ray and regular dvd. therefore, they stop making regular dvds, problem solved.

so if we dont want to conform to blu-ray, will there be any alternative?

Posted by Nick at 8:46am on Mon Mar 3rd 2008

I thought the article was interesting, albeit a bit dated. Personally, I don't agree with his boycott philosophy...and perhaps now, a few years later, he has changed some of his opinions. I am a movie junkie and have been almost my entire life. I have gone the gamut from Beta, VHS, Laser, DVD, and now Blu-Ray. The simple fact is Blu-Ray provides an unbeatable viewing experience. Blu-Ray players are backward compatible and upscale old DVDs to near Hi Def quality. In other words, my old DVDs are much sharper when played through my Blu-Ray player. And the Blu-Ray's have an almost 3-dimensional picture quality. HDMI cables can be a bit high...so I suggest shopping around if you can't afford a $50 dollar cable...there are deals out there. Keeping up with available technology costs money....always has, always will. Keep up with it or go back to rotary phones and protectors that use reels.

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$2700 for a 1080p projector, $800 for a LG BH200 DVD player, $30ea for Bluray Discs. Looks great. Only problem is, you never know if the next disc you buy will play. It's a crap shoot. Some will play, some will lock up. The latest disc to lock up on me is Sunshine. I have not seen a firmware update yet to resolve the problem. I sure don't want to have to do a firmware update every time Fox or someone else decides to do one better on a Bluray disc, not to mention never knowing from one disc to the next if it will play. What a waste of money and money! Too bad I didn't learn this until after the 30 day return policy!

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Posted by anderson noziere at 12:28pm on Sat Mar 22nd 2008

I have a 1080p plasma display and I can say three very specific things about BluRay players

1) A regular DVD played on a good upsampling BluRay player and seen on a good HD display looks much better than if played on a regular DVD player; so no need to replace (m)any disks.

2) A BluRay movie on a 1080p display is simply stunning in detail compared to a regular DVD on a regular TV. (or lesser HD TV).

3) It will be a long time before enough people in North America have high bandwidth at reasonable cost/GB to be able to DL high definition movies. And by high definition, I mean lossless compression and 5.1/6.1/7.1 audio.

It was not important to me that BluRay win over HD DVD or vice versa; but it was very important that there be one winner.

We're there. Rejoice. And no, don't fuck Blu-Ray.

Cheers,
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Posted by TumnamefT at 10:44am on Wed Mar 26th 2008

I have both and I love them both I will not watch or buy a movie if it isn't blue ray but I have a great tv setup but I think it is worth investing your money in

Posted by Anonymous at 7:35pm on Wed Mar 26th 2008

1st of all, y need blu-ray (can i say BLURay?)its so fast technology that only public with wealthy billions can catch up..woh like, wanna buy this, and will replace these kinnda technology in every 5years. how bout we just so proud with the rising of 'DVD' format.(isn't it?) and please the companyof 'heroes' who invent this ray, be more productive, not just build the new one and screw the previous -(hmm., wondering if y'all can get it right)

Posted by dang baby dang at 9:57pm on Wed Mar 26th 2008

so lets boycot all things we cant afford!!!!

if you buy the disc why copy it?

those of us who live in the year 2008
dont want to watch more vhs definition

Posted by loud9266 at 1:36pm on Fri Mar 28th 2008

Your a fucking idiot my PS3 plays dvd, hd-dvd, and blue ray. All CD's, burnt cd's and burnt dvd's. A HDMI cable is only around 30 bucks. With the falling prices of flat panel TV's blue ray is more than affordable. I would not go back to watching regular DVD's after spending a little money for a bad ass PS3 that plays blue ray and a cheap HDMI cable. Little investment big diffrence. Do your homework before ranting about shit you know nothing about. You can get a blue ray player for around 250 bucks today and the price is still falling. YOU DUMB ASS technology dis-advantaged person!

Posted by scott at 7:12pm on Thu Apr 3rd 2008

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Posted by ; ) at 8:28am on Wed Apr 16th 2008

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Posted by whoa at 8:36am on Wed Apr 16th 2008

Right On! I haven't purchased so much as a single song with DRM and will not. I will not buy Blu-Ray. I have a vast music collection in iTunes without DRM and love it. I put DVD's to my drive and watch them off the hard drive. I do not pirate media, and will not let the "pirates" (music companies) try to strong-arm me!

Posted by gimmeAZ at 5:20pm on Thu Apr 17th 2008

just buy a ps3 :)
or check this site www.blu-rey.org

Posted by sandra at 3:08pm on Mon Apr 21st 2008

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Posted by sanfra at 3:54pm on Wed Apr 23rd 2008

The PS3 is a piece of garbage. The games are subpar compared to xbox 360 or the wii. Blue ray sales are down and will stay down due to the recession in the USA. Consumers in general are not supporting blueray and won't for atleasta few years.

http://blogs.pcworld.com/staffblog/archives/006883.html

Posted by T at 10:38am on Sun May 4th 2008

Obliviously, you are one of those bleeding heart liberals or communists who think you have a God-given right to copy and share someone else's intellectual property rights because you purchased a DVD or CD. Maybe you are one of those criminals who think it is fine to steal pirate software or steal from companies or artists because you think they make too much money.

The bottom line is Blue Ray technology will eventually keep the price of purchasing a person's favorite movie down because it will mitigate the risk of pirating and criminal theft of intellectual property rights. I will continue to purchase Blue Ray and any technology that keeps criminals from stealing because they think the purchase entitles them to copy and share someone else's creativity and intellectual property rights.

Three cheers for Blue Ray and any other technology that pisses people like you off.

Posted by Dragonlorde at 10:56pm on Thu May 15th 2008

Interesting article... seems to be outdated though. Bluray is the standard now as HD DVD caved.

Also almost all computers come with a graphics card capable of watching bluray and ALL monitors are capable or displaying bluray.

If not then say that to my old 17" CRT monitor that displays the movies perfectly.

Posted by Brendan at 4:03am on Sun May 18th 2008

Now the other shoe drops ... check out this article about the high cost to independent film makers who want to distribute on Blu-Ray.

http://www.larryjordan.biz/articles/lj_blu-ray_dvd_costs_competition.html

Posted by Anonymous at 2:23pm on Tue May 27th 2008

Bullshit-Bullshit

Blu-Ray is the BEST :):)

Posted by spain at 5:46pm on Thu Jun 5th 2008

If you cant afford then dont buy it and stop fucking complaining. blu ray and hd gives a totally amazing experience watching movies, its AWESOME.

Posted by your mama at 12:45pm on Sat Jun 14th 2008

Joe sixpack doesn't give a rats ass about Blu-ray. He *IS* the majority and he thinks DVD is perfectly fine. Even if HDTVs become more affordable most people will not rush out and buy a Blu-ray player - that's utter madness. Instead, people will buy or utilize an upscaling DVD player that will give a near-HD picture quality. Why the hell would anyone want anything more ?

There is **BUGGER ALL** difference between a SD and HD picture when one looks closely. Unless you're one of these anal types that likes to see the pimples on Tom cruise's butt, HD is not going to give you anything over SD-DVD. It's all a friggin scam to hoodwink morons into buying crap they DON'T NEED!

Posted by Blu-ray smasher at 9:04pm on Sun Jun 22nd 2008

I'll hold out and eventually buy a blue ray when
x-ray players come out. They will be relatively
cheaper then, even at 10,000,000 dollars
for a used one, or about the cost of a tank
of gas. CEO's will be able to afford an
x-ray player, and also a lead lined enclosure
for it. It will be made in the US! But china
will have moved to north america and the US
to china because the chinese didn't want it
anymore and took the US because it owed so
much money to china, ..so much so that the US
folks had to buy them each a plane ticket,
and also had to pay for their own to get to their
new home, or else become chinese and eat weird stuff.
The US people will be making sneakers
for the chinese people just like in the good old days,
and also stuff like x-ray discs. The shoe will
be on the other foot.

Posted by x-ray holdout at 8:15am on Tue Jun 24th 2008

hey dragonlorde those jackboots broken in yet?.......

Posted by oddball at 5:57pm on Sat Jun 28th 2008

I hate the f*cking regions code shit.. I live in Europe and my friend brought back some blu-rays from the US and it turns out they don't freaking work! Jesus Christ.. Why didn't they tell us about the freaking regions when we bought the freaking blu-ray player. OMG.. I hate these freaking companies.. I really want to sue them...

Posted by Holger at 1:56pm on Sun Jul 6th 2008

get over it chuck
you're just a cheap republican

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Posted by dronc4trovar at 9:38am on Fri Jul 25th 2008

Dragonlorde, SHUT UP because you sound like an ignorant and an idiot!!!!!!!!!!!!
Blue Ray sucks and dose not provide a superior picture over HD DVD. It is very deceiving technology to suck money out of people's pockets. Go to any store playing Blue-ray DVD and you will be surprised that most of the times you will find the store using a high end TV and mostly a TV with Glossy screen. The glossy screen always makes colors appear so VIVID and CRYSTAL. This way local stores try to deceive the consumer that a blue-ray DVD alone would produce such a great picture which is not true. A great picture is a combination of a great DVD player and a great TV.

Posted by Blue Deciption! at 5:54am on Tue Jul 29th 2008

I think your entire article is ignorant. I owned a little over 500 standard DVD movies and recently converted to blu ray after hearing that they won the war and after purchasing a Playstation 3. Which, was very inexpensive. The transition was much like converting from VHS to DVD. And it will happen again in about 15 years. It's just they way that our economy works. HDMI cables for the PS3 are 6 bucks on ebay. I buy used blu ray movies at pawn shops and never spend more than 12 bucks a peice and can buy them in bulk at around 5 bucks a piece.
Don't be scared of technology and advancing to a new level.

Posted by Joshua Blake Barnes at 5:32pm on Thu Jul 31st 2008

Wow what an outdated and cynical artical. Now that Blu-ray is the winner, prices will drop but it will take time. I would gladly spend good money for hi-def content and sell my old DVDs toward HD versions anyday. Technology changes...embrace it.

Posted by Bob Knob at 11:20am on Sat Aug 2nd 2008

Wow what an outdated and cynical artical. Now that Blu-ray is the winner, prices will drop but it will take time. I would gladly spend good money for hi-def content and sell my old DVDs toward HD versions anyday. Technology changes...embrace it.

Posted by Bob Knob at 11:21am on Sat Aug 2nd 2008

Wow what an outdated and cynical artical. Now that Blu-ray is the winner, prices will drop but it will take time. I would gladly spend good money for hi-def content and sell my old DVDs toward HD versions anyday. Technology changes...embrace it.

Posted by Bob Knob at 11:21am on Sat Aug 2nd 2008

I am a great fan of technology and I believe in its advancement and in the good of it for making our lives simpler but, I also happen to live in this world and I can't help thinking of all the additional pollution this will cause/is causing: having to dump all our expensive obsolete equiptment to buy new.
If the industry wants to change the standards it should also assume it's environmental responsibilities by at the very least ensuring all old materials are properly collected, dismanteled and recycled.

In this day and age when the enviornment is under threat this action is a rediculously irresponsible gesture.
I am surprised and appalled that the worlds politicians are turning a blind eye on this while preaching "environmental protection".

This is obviously simply an action to protect Copyrights which is surpefluous because some Hacker is going to find a way to crack the implemented security devices anyway.

Posted by Some Gal at 12:45am on Thu Aug 7th 2008

I just found this site after looking for the UDF2.5 driver for Ubuntu. Strange where clicking on various HOWTO links takes you. Anyway, I found the website remarkably short sighted, and in particular it made it sound like HD DVD was as bad as Blu-ray, and worse than DVD, when quite clearly it isn't and never has been. It's too late to figure out whether paranoid attacks like this tipped the scales against HD DVD, but had that format actually had some support at the time it needed it, we wouldn't be stuck with Blu-ray.

AACS

HD DVD has one access control, AACS. AACS is slightly worse than CSS, as used in DVD, but:

1. It was optional, like CSS, and unlike AACS in Blu-ray.
2. Like CSS, it was cracked.
3. Unlike CSS, an official means of bypassing it was created in the form of Managed Copy.

Yes, MC was never a panacea, but it was mandatory for all HD DVD discs to support it, and it did at least provide for the option of doing certain fair use activities that the DMCA otherwise outlaws. Had Toshiba been more far sighted, we'd have seen HD DVD players with built-in hard disks allowing users to store their entire movie libraries on the disk, using the discs themselves as back-ups stored elsewhere. We'd have seen users given the ability to plug in a portable player and having a copy of any movie copied to it.

HDCP

Like DVD, the HD DVD had access controls fed to the TV. In DVD this was Macrovision, in HD DVD (and Blu-ray) this is HDCP and the "Image Constraint Token" (HDCP and ICT are used together, the ICT is the command used to turn on HDCP.) Both Macrovision and HDCP+ICT are equivalent, designed for the technology of the day. HDCP's critics somehow imagine it will be worse in 2008 than Macrovision was in 1998, but they fail to understand the concept and the context of both. HDCP's problem is that software player makers need a secure path between their software and the monitor used to display the picture.

It's easy to say, eleven years on, that Macrovision isn't much of an issue, but remember at the time DVD was released, it wasn't expected that you'd watch them on a computer or high definition monitor - at that time, you couldn't even buy a computer powerful enough to play a VCD without an MPEG decoding card, let alone a DVD. Now you're fussing about whether HDCP makes it harder to play an HD DVD on your computer. Well, it doesn't, for two very good reasons:

1. First, it's only an issue for computers that do not support a "secure path". In time, that would have not been an issue.
2. It only affects licensed players. For systems like Ubuntu, open source operating systems have never really had licensed DVD players, save for some unavailable-in-practice "players" that were rarely, if ever, used by real users. For operating systems like Mac OS X and Microsoft Windows, the systems generally came with DVD players that were properly licensed, and the OSes they were running on was also similarly properly licensed.

Given the relative ease of playing an HD DVD, it's not hard to see that, had the format taken off, unlicenced HD DVD players would have appeared for Ubuntu in time (as it was, AACS decryption apps have been available for a while, and MPlayer is capable of playing the content on the disks themselves.) So HDCP really is not going to be worse than Macrovision in practice.

These were the only two technologies affecting HD DVD that could be termed "Really bad", and both are updated versions of equivalents in DVD. Both are bypassed by, as with DVD, producing unlicensed players, and unlicensed players were possible with HD DVD as they were with DVD, but similarly technically illegal.

So HD DVD was never worse than DVD. In fact, the presence of a mechanism allowing for some limited authorized copying made it inherently better, no matter how restricted you may feel managed copy was.

Yet this site presumes otherwise. It highlights DVD as something to "stick with", implicitly claiming DVD is better than HD DVD. It wasn't. It's poorer quality. It doesn't support ANY kind of copying. It's objectively a worse technology, just as DIVX was objectively worse than DVD.

It might have been fair once-upon-a-time to complain that DVD and DIVX were worse than VCD, because even though DVD was better than DIVX, DVD still implemented access controls that were never present in VCD. But that's not true for HD DVD. Everything you see as bad in HD DVD has an analog in DVD. And HD DVD has real advantages.

As I said, it's too late to determine how effective sites like this were against HD DVD, and whether hoards of geeks sitting on their hands rather than voting for the "better-than-DVD" technology to replace DVD caused HD DVD's early failure. But this site was a mistake, its reasoning against HD DVD is clearly flawed, and the result is that the choice is now between a lower quality technology that doesn't legally support any kind of copying, and an unreliable, unstable, platform that supports high definition but forces everyone to use access controls (AACS is MANDATORY on Blu-ray), includes impossible-to-implement-correctly features like BD+ (thus guaranteeing that a fair number of legitimately-bought discs will fail on legal, licensed, players), and has all the "flaws" you associated with its rival to boot.

Posted by squiggleslash at 5:59am on Sun Aug 10th 2008

Oh yeah, and one other thing to add. HD DVD actually has less controls on it than its ED predecessor: HD DVD is/was region free.

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Posted by Reskalismal at 6:17am on Sat Aug 23rd 2008

Boycott what??? 1st of all, the HDDVD's owners should shut up!!! The format war is over!!! Don't be bitter because you spent all that money. Just look at it like a bad investment & you made a bad mistake.. hahahaha.. Anyways, Bluray is the current format & will be for sometime. Anyone who owns an HDTV will be able to maximise their TV's potential by viewing movies on bluray. It is currently better than HD Cable or HD Satelite. The picture is just more amazing on bluray.. So all you haters, go buy a PS3 or Bluray only player & enjoy bluray movies. Stop w/ the specs, & if you don't like Sony or the PS3, hold off because the Xbox will soon jump on the wagon. They will be adding a bluray player to their new system Xbox 540. (Sorry Xbox 360) you wasted your money their too! Enjoy & I look forward to hearing any responses!!! Make a great day!!!!

Posted by MikeBluray at 6:11am on Sat Aug 30th 2008

Boycott what??? 1st of all, the HDDVD's owners should shut up!!! The format war is over!!! Don't be bitter because you spent all that money. Just look at it like a bad investment & you made a bad mistake.. hahahaha.. Anyways, Bluray is the current format & will be for sometime. Anyone who owns an HDTV will be able to maximize their TV's potential by viewing movies on bluray. It is currently better than HD Cable or HD Satelite. The picture is just more amazing on bluray.. So all you haters, go buy a PS3 or Bluray only player & enjoy bluray movies. Stop w/ the specs, & if you don't like Sony or the PS3, hold off because the Xbox will soon jump on the wagon. They will be adding a bluray player to their new system Xbox 540. (Sorry Xbox 360) you wasted your money their too! Enjoy & I look forward to hearing any responses!!! Make a great day!!!!

Posted by MikeBluray at 6:12am on Sat Aug 30th 2008

First lets set a few facts straight.
A. Blue Ray has been out for over 6 years now and much better than HD-DVD. Just because hollywood wants your money they did not show up in the states until now.
B. Why can we not get better quality here? I have a blue ray recorder (from a different country) that is a high quality theater component, not computer which is not near the quality with built in HD cable and off air tuners as well as HD satalite tuner. This piece will smoke the units we get here and with a 500GB hard drive as well.
C. Get over it Blue ray is here, I guess you were happy with the LD that has been around since the mid 70's, oh yea that is where it all started and I have one of those players from 1975 that lead to the CD, DVD and HD-DVD which is now a dead format.

Lets face it the money in hollywood keeps a lot of technology out. Go look at some real technology like live video on your cell not streaming BS like you see here and HD walkman.
As far as the computer stuff it will never be what high end AV is nor will your PS3, sorry gamers but it is a bonus that it will even play a movie but has no comparison with the real thing.

Posted by joe smoe at 7:03pm on Tue Sep 2nd 2008

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Posted by ggheddffhaag at 10:14am on Thu Sep 11th 2008

Ha ha ha in your face!

Blu-Ray is the sole HD format for video and it will replace the DVDs in 2 years.

Posted by Blu Fan at 3:28pm on Wed Sep 17th 2008

sony made blue ray so you can buy sony movies all over again.to make more wealth for the huge company

Posted by marx at 1:10am on Wed Sep 24th 2008

Well with all new technologies we need to weed and seed. I think it is funny how we have component, dvi, hdmi, etc... But one will prevail. That is the way it just works. The multiple formats go out and it's survival of the fittest. I think there should be one standard but it's not up to me to choose; it's up to the public. It will eventually be simplified. Weed and seed... Weed and seed...

Posted by Josh Suarez at 1:52am on Mon Oct 13th 2008

It's interesting to read this now that the dust has settled on HD-DVD's grave. With that said, I don't think Blu-Ray is ever going to be the future of the entertainment industry in the way that DVD's were.

I personally have a 50 Inch Pioneer true 1080p TV, hooked up to a DirectTV HD DVR. With my packages, I get 100's of HD programs a week, between movies, sports and US Network broadcasts. They are mostly 720p and 1080i, but here's the thing to remember about 1080i, it is really upsampled, so while it may not look as good as a blu ray DVD, the difference only might matter to me on a small handful of programs. Most programs look incredible at 1080i.

Then there's convenince. Why do I watch programs in my home theater? Because it's more convenient for me to do so than to go to a theater which still offers the best viewing experience. Buying or even renting a Blu-Ray disc is not more convenient!

Between Satellite, Cable and Fiber, the HD programming offerings to the average consumer are already more than anyone could consume if they watched TV for 12 hours a day. With my DVR, at any particular time I typically have 10 HD format theatrical films that are 6 months or less in age. I have absolutely no incentive to go purchase or rent a movie when I have so many sitting on my DVR. If i really am jonesing for a film that hasn't been released or played on one of the many payTV channels, I can always go the Netflix route, or any of the emerging streaming HD movie services from the Apple Store to XBoxLive or even Sony's PS3 service. As tv's continue to converge with multimedia servers, the focus will be on interoperability --- I have my program on my media server and I may want to watch it on one of my 2 TV's or stream it across the home network to my daughter's IMac, or down sample it to fit it on an Ipod or the IPhone for a trip we're taking. Why would anyone want instead, to purchase discs that are heavily encumbered with copy protection technology that makes it impossible to do the same, when what most people want is to be able to consume the material they paid for when the time and place is right *for them*.

The future is th HD PayTV services many consumers already enjoy, augmented by downloadable services that will be more convenient and less expensive than Blu-Ray. Disc formats are dying and will eventually go the way of Betamax, VHS and DVD. Remember the Laser Disc?

I could afford a Blu-Ray player if I wanted one, but I honestly don't see the day coming anytime soon when it will be worth it to me to plonk down hundreds of dollars for the equipment, and fork over cash for a Blu-Ray disc that might offer at best a marginal improvement in picture quality for the 1-2 times I might watch a film.

If the entertainment companies would only wake up and learn from companies like Amazon.com who have thrived through an understanding of the incredible variety of customer interests and the "long tail." All the entertainment conglomerates know is how to cram the top 5 products down everyone's throat at a marketing cost that cuts their own profits to the bone. One day perhaps they'll realize that consumers want variety, convenience and flexibility and will reward the companies who respect their wishes with their hard earned dollars.

Would you rather have 5 programs, that you can sell to 20 million people after spending 30 million on marketing to insure that 100 million people knew about the 5 films, or 1000 films that you can sell on average to 15000 people after spending only 10 million on marketing?

All the entertainment conglomerates care about is the 5 Blockbusters, and we all know how intellectually challenging those 5 films are going to be. Blu-ray is all about the old world values, and as technology continues to progress, the cost of technology will continue to decrease, and the stranglehold on media will inevitably slip through the fingers of the media moguls who are too old and inflexible to realize that a new world order is growing up through the cracks of their crumbling empire. Long live the Internet.

Posted by Giz at 6:58pm on Tue Oct 14th 2008

Blonde in a Boat

There was a blonde driving down the road one day. She glanced to her right and noticed another blonde sitting in a nearby field, rowing a boat with no water in sight.

The blonde angrily pulled her car over and yelled at the rowing blonde, "What do you think you're doing? It's things like this that give us blondes a bad name. If I could swim, I'd come out there and kick your butt!"

Posted by fuytruiiil at 3:31am on Fri Oct 24th 2008

Don't you all think that life is a tad to bloody short to be worrying about this BS! I personaly know a guy with terminal cancer, I'm going to ask him tomorrow if he thinks Blue-ray is better than HD, or should we BOYCOT both? I think his answere maybe something like - I DON'T GIVE A F***.I personaly like to embrace the future, If you spend to long looking back you are eventualy going to walk into something you were to blind to see in the first place "if that makes sense.Ok that's my two cents, think i'll just pop to my local electical store and buy me a bloody Blue-ray player when my eyes have re-set from all the posts here!!!

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Posted by buzi at 4:44pm on Thu Oct 30th 2008

None of these issues mentioned in the article are even problems if you download, install and buy AnyDVD-HD. It allows you to decrypt all content on-the-fly, or you can rip BlueRay disc to your harddrive and watch them later, and your video card nor your TV have to be HDCP compliant. I've used AnyDVD-HD for quite a while now with no problems. They always offer updates for new encryption schemes too. They are located outside the US so nobody can touch them legally.

Posted by Anonymous at 6:39am on Mon Nov 3rd 2008

Wow there are alot of morons responding that would argue fact. Your article is spot on. I purchased a blue player for my computer which promptly told me that my 2 year old 38 inch widescreen digital monitor was not HDCP compliant. After some research I read about DRM built into hardware?? I was furious at the idea I had to buy a new monitor to watch blue ray in full digital resolution. I found other "ways" to around this without buying a monitor but the audasity to make me buy a monitor that "I" didn't need but the DRM folks needed. Really pissed me off.

Though I will not boycott this technology, I have taken your points to heart and found my own experiences consistant with your findings.

Nice article

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Peach tree Georgia, she said. O.K. you will receive a year�s supply of the biggest and best peaches for a year�
He then asked the last one, �now for $1000 who was the first president�
�George Washington, she said� �Right you are� said the emcee
The lady screamed out �I beat you all and hit the jack pot!�
�How can you say that asked the other two, you only won $1000"
�I�m from Petersburg.� She replied.

Posted by appocourl at 3:54pm on Fri Nov 7th 2008

man you r just plain ignorant, there is nothin wrong with blueray, all u need is the right hardware. it isn't that hard to get at all and not to expensive.

Posted by chris at 7:32pm on Mon Nov 17th 2008

Amen brother. You could have added that the human eye can only see so much of the entire spectrum. This given, one can see the difference between Blue Ray and DVD if they tend to stand about 6 inches away from the screen. Now who in the world is going to do this on a regular basis? Not me, and probably not anyone. The normal viewing distance from the display is still 6-8 feet for comfortable viewing and less eye strain. I agree, who cares about the extra features and so-called better sound? This is just a format change for them to make more money....they aren't satisfied with just selling DVD's, they want all of us to purchase the NEW format DVD's and a NEW dvd player - NOT! I hope they go broke with their investment!

Posted by Mike Gruhlke, Idaho Falls, Idaho at 8:34am on Tue Nov 18th 2008

Amen brother. You could have added that the human eye can only see so much of the entire spectrum. This given, one can see the difference between Blue Ray and DVD if they tend to stand about 6 inches away from the screen. Now who in the world is going to do this on a regular basis? Not me, and probably not anyone. The normal viewing distance from the display is still 6-8 feet for comfortable viewing and less eye strain. I agree, who cares about the extra features and so-called better sound? This is just a format change for them to make more money....they aren't satisfied with just selling DVD's, they want all of us to purchase the NEW format DVD's and a NEW dvd player - NOT! I hope they go broke with their investment! And lastly, those so-called HD-DVD vs DVD comparisons being shown at the electronics stores lie, regular DVD's aren't foggy or fuzzy...what a joke and misleading statement.

Posted by Mike Gruhlke, Idaho Falls, Idaho at 8:35am on Tue Nov 18th 2008

sounds like dolby guy is concerned about his job at dolby

Posted by Birddog1 at 1:49pm on Tue Dec 2nd 2008

I thimk that you ar full of crap because you do not know the QUALITY OF A BLU-RAY DVD AND PLAYER SO JUST SHUT THE HELL UP!!!!

Posted by blu-ray plrownr at 7:01am on Sat Dec 13th 2008

If you don't learn from history, you're bound to repeat it. Case in point; Beta format video tape...

Posted by mick at 12:34am on Sun Dec 14th 2008

blu-ray plowrnr , your the one who needs to shut the hell up
he's got points , also it's not called blu-ray DVD and u clearly dont know what your talking about

Posted by Urdad at 2:45am on Sun Dec 14th 2008

personally i found my new bluray player to be an amazing experience and actually stood back and was like what the f***!!! so yeah, behave......

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Posted by BIGSACK at 4:18am on Tue Dec 16th 2008

As soon as I found out Sony was behind Blu-Ray disc and you can only play them on a Blu-Ray Player I got ill. How short are peoples memories? This is not sonys first rodeo, in the 80's Sony tried to break the VHS market with the Beta Max. I remember we had one. problem was we could hardley ever find movies for it and once the fad died off so did our beta max, thanks Sony! Then they attempeted the multi media mmcd which floped, oh and lets not forget the Sony Mini disc players remember that answer to the CD? Probebly not that floped too. There are other failed Sony attempets to get us to buy formats exclusive to Sony or Sony licenced players but you get my point. So before you blindly invest in another Sony marketing sceme to steel you hard earned money and screw you once again. Sit back and see what happens, but we aready know whats going to happen don't we thats why we all came to this site.

Bravo to the site owner someone needed to open peoples eyes

Posted by Will Never Buy A Blu-Ray at 4:47am on Tue Dec 16th 2008

As soon as I found out Sony was behind Blu-Ray disc and you can only play them on a Blu-Ray Player I got ill. How short are peoples memories? This is not sonys first rodeo, in the 80's Sony tried to break the VHS market with the Beta Max. I remember we had one. problem was we could hardley ever find movies for it and once the fad died off so did our beta max, thanks Sony! Then they attempeted the multi media mmcd which floped, oh and lets not forget the Sony Mini disc players remember that answer to the CD? Probebly not that floped too. There are other failed Sony attempets to get us to buy formats exclusive to Sony or Sony licenced players but you get my point. So before you blindly invest in another Sony marketing sceme to steel you hard earned money and screw you once again. Sit back and see what happens, but we aready know whats going to happen don't we thats why we all came to this site.

Bravo to the site owner someone needed to open peoples eyes

Posted by Anonymous at 4:48am on Tue Dec 16th 2008

GET OVER YOURSELF! DONT BE PISSED BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO REBUY THE QUEER EYE FOR THE STRAIGHT GUY SERIES AGAIN..... BLU RAY IS AWSOME AND WORTH GETTING!

Posted by Some Other Guy at 7:25pm on Mon Dec 22nd 2008

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Posted by Dano at 3:06pm on Tue Dec 23rd 2008

"Amen brother. You could have added that the human eye can only see so much of the entire spectrum. This given, one can see the difference between Blue Ray and DVD if they tend to stand about 6 inches away from the screen. Now who in the world is going to do this on a regular basis? Not me, and probably not anyone. The normal viewing distance from the display is still 6-8 feet for comfortable viewing and less eye strain. I agree, who cares about the extra features and so-called better sound? This is just a format change for them to make more money....they aren't satisfied with just selling DVD's, they want all of us to purchase the NEW format DVD's and a NEW dvd player - NOT! I hope they go broke with their investment!"

I'm sorry but you are confused about the human eye. The human eye can see the diff between blu ray and dvd on a 32" screen from 7' away. With a 50" screen you can tell at about 12'.

Who wants to experience a movie from that far anyways, Blu ray allows you to sit closer to the screen and get immersed.

I would know, I can watch Blu ray from 7' from my 61" screen and it looks crystal clear, dvd is extremely blurry and really distracts you from the experience.

You really are a fool.

Posted by Mke p at 3:39pm on Thu Dec 25th 2008

Hey brain dead Clydes, the format war was over 10 months ago. Toshiba stopped producing HD DVD.

No go crawl back in your holes instead beating a dead horse....game over.

Format war over! Blu-ray wins as Toshiba abandons HD DVD
February 20, 2008
http://articles.latimes.com/2008/feb/20/business/fi-bluray20

Posted by Doc Holiday at 2:57pm on Fri Dec 26th 2008

Hey, *nix users can buy hardware too, so what really sucks is no decent "legal" opensource player for BD ?!
ya, ya we all know why now!, whatever ,....

M$ AND $ONY suck !!!

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Posted by Card Games FTW at 2:28pm on Tue Dec 30th 2008

Fuck all of you.. I live in a third world country where I have needed to by the multi world system by LG to play all DVDs from all zones in the world..so now ..blue ray is a new zone..what comes around goes around I hope they come and go just like the $$$ did and the rest of the capitalistic society!!!!

Posted by VS at 6:13pm on Sun Jan 4th 2009

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Posted by Ajay at 10:22pm on Sun Jan 18th 2009

It is obvious that the movie industry is trying to force its consumers to switch to Blue Ray. My wife purchased me a Blue Ray player for my birthday this year. I hooked it up and rented the movie Wanted. My home theater is about 9 years old. Guess what? I have Dolby Digital, but not DTS.
I was watching the movie in stereo! The movie didn't support my sound system. I returned the machine and plugged my old faithful DVD player back in. And to be honest, I noticed no difference in picture quality.

Posted by Tom at 6:29pm on Fri Jan 23rd 2009

It is obvious that the movie industry is trying to force its consumers to switch to Blue Ray. My wife purchased me a Blue Ray player for my birthday this year. I hooked it up and rented the movie Wanted. My home theater is about 9 years old. Guess what? I have Dolby Digital, but not DTS.
I was watching the movie in stereo! The movie didn't support my sound system. I returned the machine and plugged my old faithful DVD player back in. And to be honest, I noticed no difference in picture quality.

Posted by tom at 6:31pm on Fri Jan 23rd 2009

It is obvious that the movie industry is trying to force its consumers to switch to Blue Ray. My wife purchased me a Blue Ray player for my birthday this year. I hooked it up and rented the movie Wanted. My home theater is about 9 years old. Guess what? I have Dolby Digital, but not DTS.
I was watching the movie in stereo! The movie didn't support my sound system. I returned the machine and plugged my old faithful DVD player back in. And to be honest, I noticed no difference in picture quality.

Posted by tom at 6:32pm on Fri Jan 23rd 2009

I agree how much TV is great TV, it does nothing for the actors or the movie experience, your favorite football teams still loose what with better color.
To me any TV that cost more that $400.00 with a cable/satellite bill of $60.00 + dollars a month is not worth watching anyway. I mean look at the package that is offered, over halve of them are shit channels anyway and you MUST pay to have them.
What needs to happen on the first day of analog death is cancel our cable/satellite bill.
Boycott is not the answer disconnect altogether forever is the answer and then disconnect the web and video games next, unpopular decisions but the best way to there money.

Posted by john at 2:14am on Sun Jan 25th 2009

You are right, I bought two Blu Ray players and had problems with both. 1st one lost its audio and the 2th would not play 2 out of 3 Blu ray movies with out a Firmware update. After two days I found someone that has better computer skills then I so he down loaded the update onto a disc and put it in the player. It now would play the moives so I thought, I got it home and the moive played for about 20 mins and then keep freezing every few seconds. I took the player back And got a refund. This is unacceptable. What if someone has no one to do the update. Oh yah the company will send them a CD to do the update if you want to wait 7-14 days to get it by snell mail. What a bunch of BS. I really liked the great picture but until they get the bugs out I'll use my older player and the up convertion with the HDMI cable.

Posted by cope at 8:54am on Sun Jan 25th 2009

Read lots on this site. Lot of interesting articles. Don't know if this is much use to those who say fu blu-ray but just got a call from a friend this morning and he said that when he walked up to his blu-ray player to change the disc and touched his machine he zapped it with a jolt of static electricity. Now player won't work. He is taking it back as I am writing this comment. Maybe just bad timing on his part but if not, F-U blu-ray.

Posted by Anonymous at 11:56am on Sun Jan 25th 2009

I agree that Blu-ray sucks. I'm not buying a brand new player and all new movies when I can get virtually the same experience from a DVD player with 1080p upconvert and an HDMI cable. Besides, all of you who're paying for disks and all this shit are morons. Just wait until they come out with 100tb SDD's integrated into small little storage drives that can connect to the internet and download HD movies. Disks are just stupid. For all of you who think 100tb SDD's are way far into the future...think again. SDD's will far surpass hard drives and then storage will be a penny per gigabyte. I'm guessing 3-5 years until we get the ultimate players.

Disks suck balls. They scratch, you lose 'em....who the fuck wants to deal with that shit? Besides.....pirating shit over the internet will be a hell of a lot easier with these internet enabled HD video players/storage devices. I'm gonna wait it out. I can handle my normal DVD's picture on my HDTV. It's not great but ya know what? I actually get off my fat ass every day and do something. I don't spend 20 hours a day watching TV. I waited until I could get my HDTV for $500 and I know it was the smart thing to do. Why the hell would you pay three times what you need to in order to get the same thing?

Posted by Austin at 6:21pm on Sat Jan 31st 2009

I agree with your article, What is wrong with a normal DVD player? I prefer have VHS or DVD only thing good of TV technologie is the TV has LCD

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Posted by Eugen at 11:59am on Mon Feb 23rd 2009

O U T R A G E D !
I couldn't agree more. I just purchased a blue ray player and I absolutely hate. So you want to pause a movie in the middle and resume later? Forget about it. You have to start from the beginning. And not only do you have to start from the beginning, it makes you watch all of the previews of comming attractions again as well as all the disclaimers concerning piracy. That's about twenty minutes just to get back to the B E G I N N I N G of the movie! Then you have to sit through all the portions of the movie you've already watched just to get back to where you left off. I'll never purchase another blu ray disc and I'm selling the ones I already have ASAP. Also, when you purchase a blu ray player, you're also giving up slow motion, fast forward, pause, rewind, zoom, etc. And I paid $300 for this piece of crap.

Posted by Anonymous at 7:10pm on Thu Feb 26th 2009

O U T R A G E D !
I couldn't agree more. I just purchased a blue ray player and I absolutely hate. So you want to pause a movie in the middle and resume later? Forget about it. You have to start from the beginning. And not only do you have to start from the beginning, it makes you watch all of the previews of comming attractions again as well as all the disclaimers concerning piracy. That's about twenty minutes just to get back to the B E G I N N I N G of the movie! Then you have to sit through all the portions of the movie you've already watched just to get back to where you left off. I'll never purchase another blu ray disc and I'm selling the ones I already have ASAP. Also, when you purchase a blu ray player, you're also giving up slow motion, fast forward, pause, rewind, zoom, etc. And I paid $300 for this piece of crap.

Posted by Warren at 7:11pm on Thu Feb 26th 2009

Technology is moving so fast it's not worth going to Blu ray,
but wait for the next generation of high def solid state players just around the corner.
Anyway for now divx wins every time.

Posted by Herman Fotsenberg at 11:37pm on Sun Mar 15th 2009

your view on dvi is completely wrong dvi is more common on high end pc monitors and is hdcp enabled on almost all new graphics card and dvi can go up to 2560 by 1600

Posted by bill at 5:02pm on Mon Mar 16th 2009

When VHS came out Sony came out with high definition VHS-"Bata-Max". But everything was twice of expensive. After 4 years the people that bought into it found out they got screwed, Sony quit making the thing.

I really don't see the need for Blu-ray, it's just TV.

I am still waiting for the electric golf club.

Posted by bobo at 7:13pm on Wed Mar 18th 2009

The only tangible medium that could possibly replace DVD is the memory card (of any kind). Compact size, no load times, dust and shock protection, and no mechanincs involved in the players (100% digital).

A Blu-ray is still a spinning disc, with all the flaws that spinning discs have: spin noise, scratch possibility, fragile handling, etc.

Better resolution? Yes, but there is lots of downloadable stuff in HD and tests show many people find no difference between 720p and 1080p, sitting at recommended seating distance from normal sized TV's (up to 46").

Better sound? Most of us live beside mystical beings called NEIGHBOURS, so if most of the time we can't even take full advantage of our 5.1 systems, when are we going to feel the difference of a 7.1 system? Also, I fully agree that having more speakers behind us than in front is just ridiculous.

DVD's are so cheap nowadays and are great fun. And with the right setup, they look great and sound great too.

So everybody just wait for Memory Card Movies or just download everything! And keep on collecting DVD's from the bargain bins!

Posted by Teebo at 9:33pm on Sat Mar 21st 2009

Oh and another thing:

New DVD's cost about �20. Blu-rays cost �25-�29... "only 5-9 more".

Now here's the catch... if you buy DVD's for �20 (when they come out) you are utterly and extremely stupid.

I have built a 200+ DVD collection of originals by always hunting the "bargain bins" at stores. My average is about �5 per movie. So this means if I bought movies as soon as they came out, I would only have 50 movies and not 200.

So, the argument that "blu-rays cost only �5 to �9 more than DVDs" is bullshit. They cost FIVE times more than what I am used to paying for movies.

Hey Movie industry, bring that difference down and I just might begin thinking about the possibility of reminding myself to look into pondering buying a magazine to learn more about how to buy a blu-ray movie.

Posted by Teebo at 9:49pm on Sat Mar 21st 2009

Nothing you listed here affected my decision in purchasing a Blu-ray player in the slightest. Besides, it's and invisible upgrade: it's backwards compatible with all DVDs. All the DRM and restrictions you mentioned won't affect many people at all... besides, DRM is a good thing. It helps to save the movie industry from the millions of pirates stealing their movies. You mentioned that the MPAA assumes that everyone is a pirate... well they have to! This is one of those cases that the minority ruin it for the majority. Do you have a way besides DRM to stop pirating? Didn't think so.

Regardless, I bought a Blu-ray player last month and I'm loving it. My first Blu-ray I bought was Quantum of Solace... not a bad movie and it looks great.

Find some more convincing reasons, or at least some that affect the average consumer, besides raving conspiracy theories.

Posted by Anonymous at 8:48pm on Tue Mar 24th 2009

Nothing you listed here affected my decision in purchasing a Blu-ray player in the slightest. Besides, it's and invisible upgrade: it's backwards compatible with all DVDs. All the DRM and restrictions you mentioned won't affect many people at all... besides, DRM is a good thing. It helps to save the movie industry from the millions of pirates stealing their movies. You mentioned that the MPAA assumes that everyone is a pirate... well they have to! This is one of those cases that the minority ruin it for the majority. Do you have a way besides DRM to stop pirating? Didn't think so.

Regardless, I bought a Blu-ray player last month and I'm loving it. My first Blu-ray I bought was Quantum of Solace... not a bad movie and it looks great.

Find some more convincing reasons, or at least some that affect the average consumer, besides raving conspiracy theories.

Posted by Duder at 8:49pm on Tue Mar 24th 2009

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Posted by Anita at 12:13pm on Fri Apr 3rd 2009

You are one of that loosers, who never ever created something, but want to have all the new technologies for free.
You still have a choise: DO NOT WATCH HD!!!
so what is your problem?

Going your way of thinkink, they should stop selling Porshe or Ferrari, because you can not afford it.

Posted by Marcin at 7:01am on Sat Apr 18th 2009

You must not have enough money or qaluity in your system to enjoy the Dolby True HD audio or the DTS HD audio. Once you do you will not want to go back to reugular Dolby Digital. And more so the quality of the picture on the Blu Ray is better than HD tv, because of the less compression. Anyway the saying is true you get what you pay for. Now that the war is over between Blue Ray and HD (which Blue Ray won). I recomend buying a blue ray and if your receiver does not take HDMI you can you Sonys Blue Ray bdp-s550 which has external outputs for the 7.1 channel as long as you receiver that supports it.........Have a Blue Ray and love it.........

Posted by poscar at 12:44am on Fri May 8th 2009

You must not have enough money or qaluity in your system to enjoy the Dolby True HD audio or the DTS HD audio. Once you do you will not want to go back to reugular Dolby Digital. And more so the quality of the picture on the Blu Ray is better than HD tv, because of the less compression. Anyway the saying is true you get what you pay for. Now that the war is over between Blue Ray and HD (which Blue Ray won). I recomend buying a blue ray and if your receiver does not take HDMI you can you Sonys Blue Ray bdp-s550 which has external outputs for the 7.1 channel as long as you receiver that supports it.........Have a Blue Ray and love it.........

Posted by poscar at 12:45am on Fri May 8th 2009

You must not have enough money or qaluity in your system to enjoy the Dolby True HD audio or the DTS HD audio. Once you do you will not want to go back to reugular Dolby Digital. And more so the quality of the picture on the Blu Ray is better than HD tv, because of the less compression. Anyway the saying is true you get what you pay for. Now that the war is over between Blue Ray and HD (which Blue Ray won). I recomend buying a blue ray and if your receiver does not take HDMI you can you Sonys Blue Ray bdp-s550 which has external outputs for the 7.1 channel as long as you receiver that supports it.........Have a Blue Ray and love it.........

Posted by poscar at 12:46am on Fri May 8th 2009

Oh no, here comes the "Oh but Blu-Ray is better" bandwagon.

We all know, Dolby true HD etc. is "better than Dolby Digital". Yes, High-Def is "better" than DVD. ENOUGH WITH IT.

Let me inform you on other technologies that were "better"...

Betamax was better than VHS.
Super Audio CD was better than regular CD.
Minidisc was better than CD.
Blu-Ray is "better" than DVD.

However, Blu-Ray will only truly replace DVD if it gets Mass Market Volume. And the truth is, the vast majority of people only want to watch the movie. When I get friends over to watch a movie from my 250+ DVD collection, it is a huge hassle to even show them the 2-minute trailer!

PEOPLE JUST WANT TO SEE THE MOVIE. The extra features of normal DVD's only matter to the 9% of us who are enthusiasts and really care. As for the extra features of Blu-Ray, again, the same small percentage of people actually care, and even less are willing to get more than one version of the same movies they already have, just to see them in a little better resolution and sound.

So despite Blu-Ray "being better" than DVD, it truly is not. It is still a spinning disc that can get scratched, takes enormous time to load (extremely annoying), is still expensive and is more like a DVD version 1.2 than anything else.

So until Blu-Ray players cost what DVD players cost today, and Blu-Ray movies cost what DVD movies cost today, I might even think about it. But that's because I am part of the minority who cares about having a nice original collection. Oh and when Blu-Rays cost what DVD's cost now, I will still buy DVD's because for the price of 1 blu-ray I will be able to buy like 10 DVD's. And yes, I prefer 10 DVD's with not-so-perfect resolution to one movie in HD.

Oh yeah, and let us not forget that (unfortunately) the vast majority of people care so little about picture resolution that they get their movies at the local bootleg supplier or ripped versions of the Internet.

Posted by Jewie at 9:42am on Tue May 12th 2009

I completely agree that these new formats should be ignored and detested. They are phoney and unecessary. I say fuck them all!!! I will stick with my standard dvd`s forever.
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Your a fucking idiot. Your either old retierd man or just stupid. Either way, your a fucking idiot.

Posted by I'm Right at 2:48pm on Sat May 16th 2009

I have a good collection of Blu-Ray movies. I can watch and enjoy them all. They are amazing quality on my plasma. Why you are even thinking of boycotting this technology is beyond me. Go ahead and watch your ancient VHS collection and maybe even pop in a few beta max flicks. I myself will be enjoying high definition movies on my high definition television. Have fun in the stone age I guess...or get the hell over it and stop ranting about pointless crap.

Posted by LTD at 10:44pm on Mon May 18th 2009

"AACS means that Blu-ray and HD-DVD will never be compatible with free software"

Never? Blu-ray and HD-DVD already work under Ubuntu, and have for a year. Dumbass.

Posted by Never be compatible with free software? at 3:50am on Wed May 27th 2009

Not surprising I have a DVD player as many do, and a collection of favorites. I have two nice HD tv's (50" plasma for the main viewing area, 32" LCD for the bedroom). I am NOT going to urn out and buy a blu-ray, it is absolutely pointless and will be short-lived by comparison to DVD and VHS, and even Beta-Max.
* Discs are costly (DVD's included)
* Discs take up space, large collections are annoying to organize and require storage shelves or cabinets.
* Disc get damaged
* Disc will always have a finite capacity limitation. Sure advancements will increase this space, but technology advancements will consume that as well. (a minor point, I know)
*ect, ect, ect, boring, boring, boring.

Internet viewing of movies, television, and music is rapidly becoming the perfect method of delivery over running to the store and purchasing a copy. Now all you need is place to store them and retrieve them at your leisure.

Tah-Dah! Home Media Servers
* Supports any digital format
* Stores any resolution
* Expandable (aka future proof*)
* View all you media on any of your tv's, computers, friends tv from anywhere you have internet connection.
* It is only a matter of time before wifi will be integrated into your vehicle entertainment packages and you'll be able view online content as well as your home media collection on the road.

Are they perfect now, absolutely not. But to think that single disc format will survive this option--I can't even say new technology, it is just cleverly combining existing technology--is just naive. That's like believing CD's will outlive MP3 players. It's not even a new concept, Microsoft as been working on integrating television, computer, and internet for 15years or better.

Of course I believe the underlying rant about this article addresses the security issues of the disc format to prevent piracy, but causes frustration, inconvenience, and even requires the replacement of expensive components in order to enjoy the HD format. I can only imagine it is going to get worse as agencies attempt to secure and extinguish illegal downloading of media files when the internet becomes the primary (only) source.

* I mentioned future proof, and I know many will have arguments so let me explain before you tear this apart. Home servers is basically smart storage. While storage methods will advance, it is difficult to imagine the idea of storage will ever go away. So yes based on my arguments you will have to upgrade storage, and that will incur expense, and you'll have to download a new copy of your favorite movies, so you don't get away from that either. However, anything you can store on a media disc you can store on a hard disk or Solid-state disk and therefore you'll never have to run out an buy that $1000 new player to have the latest and greatest in home entertainment.

Posted by Disc format is pointless at 6:10am on Wed Jun 3rd 2009

Yeah, I'm a linux user and i find this disgraceful.

But on the other hand, it will take a couple years at most for some 1337 squad of chinese or russian hackers to crack all these encryption technologies and linux will likely be able to use BD better than windows.

Posted by Darren at 10:12am on Wed Jun 3rd 2009

Blu Ray DOES suck. I bought a modern TV and a modern PC with HDCP and all the DRM crap the movie industry is foisting on us. Thought I did everything right. But now, I see Blu Ray won't let me play their crap with a dual monitor setup, which I have since my PC is both a PC and my entertainment center. How the heck does this protect the studios from ANYTHING? In what way is sending output to two monitors (or in this case, a TV and a monitor) threatening their precious intellectual property rights? They really are trying to force people to go pirate.

Posted by AP at 2:08am on Sun Jun 7th 2009

I was thinking about buying a blu-ray drive for my computer today. I'm glad I found this site. Sorry Sony, you're out $200 + however much I would spend on movies. Maybe if blu-ray didn't suck Sony wouldn't have lost so much money last quarter.

Posted by Andrew at 2:15pm on Sun Jun 7th 2009

First, thanks for posting this excellent propaganda ";0)

Next, I fully support the boycott of BluRay / DRM / Sony. It is anti-freedom, totally outdated and ridiculously overpriced technology.

The future is OpenSource, solid-state + streamed.

Now is the time to contribute exactly NOTHING to these bastards bankroll, just kick back with some classic old DVD's and enjoy their implosion.

Posted by UNF at 10:36am on Wed Jun 17th 2009

If any of you have seen tropic thunder there is a scene where the nerdy white dude is talking to "osiris" about what is better HDDVD or blu ray. He says that whatever porn or video game nerds back up or like is what becomes the more popular product and will make the other product go out of business. PS3 comes with blu ray so a bunch of nerdds are going to get all crazy about the quality of there PS3 blu ray player and blu ray will take over all movie players. So its not whatever one is better in quality its whatever becomes the next big fad.

Posted by jph at 4:27pm on Sun Jun 21st 2009

Like what the guy in Tropic Thunder said whatever porn or video game nerds like and support is what will become the next big thing. Blu Ray comes on all PS3 so looks like Blu Ray will win this war. I honestly can't see to big of a difference between HDDVD, Blu Ray, or normal DVD. I think Blu Ray will win this war though.

Posted by jph at 4:29pm on Sun Jun 21st 2009

Like what the guy in Tropic Thunder said whatever porn or video game nerds like and support is what will become the next big thing. Blu Ray comes on all PS3 so looks like Blu Ray will win this war. I honestly can't see to big of a difference between HDDVD, Blu Ray, or normal DVD.

Posted by jph at 4:30pm on Sun Jun 21st 2009

Now I'm not saying Blu-Ray ISN'T better quality. But you really do need a huge amount of hardware to take any advantage of it. Something like 40 inches of screen - minimum. That's going to cost you about �200, if not more. Then a Blu-Ray player (duh). A decent one of those is another �200. At least. And then of course an improved sound system of about �200 to take advantage of all of the better sound. And THEN you're going to have to buy Blu-Ray disks, which cost about �10 more each, and for that matter, there isn't as wide a variety anyway, and to add to THAT, movies older than a few years will NEVER get that extra super-quality anyway. There are very few people who are willing to spend that much money on a bedroom TV.

Oh, sure, Blu-Ray is backwards compatible and you don't HAVE to have all that megariffic hardware to get some improvement out of your Blu-Ray player, but if that's the case you might as well get a regular 21" HDTV and Upscaling DVD player and save yourself a few hundred buckaroonies.

DVD made a HUGE leap in quality for movies, not just for the new movies but also showed capable of improving viewing of the old ones too. You could really see the difference, and not just with two screens frozen side by side either. You could see it in the playing. And there were the various features produced by being in a CD format. And your movies didn't deterioate just by EXISTING.

Now Blu-Ray makes another improvement, but unlike DVD vs VHS, you DO need a direct comparison. You see it best on a frozen screen, and if you've got 13 speakers and a cinema-sized screen, of COURSE you're going to see a difference - but then you'd see one with DVDs too, most likely.

For the movie fanatic in us, with a lot of money to spend and a desire to be absolutely up to date with the best, there's no reason NOT to upgrade to Blu-Ray - if you don't mind the fact that when push comes to shove, the majority of your movies will inevitably be upscaled DVDs anyway.

But for the rest of us, which is most of us, since movies are still coming out on DVD, cost less, there are more of them, and the quality difference is negligible, DVD has quite some running distance yet. Those old movies weren't DESIGNED to be shown on 1080p screens, so there's a limit to how much better they're going to look.

And despite Blu-Ray's success over HD-DVD, with the current economic crisis tightening our belts and constricting our wallets, there's no guarantee that Blu-Ray will truly win the race against DVD.

After all... does anybody remember the magnificent failure that was mini-discs? Sure, people are buying Blu-Ray players, but you only buy one of those. The REAL money is made in the selling of the movies, and somehow I don't see people going out and replacing their entire DVD collection with Blu-Ray disks, the way they did with DVDs and VHS.

Nobody's FORCING you to buy Blu-Ray. We can vote with our wallets, and for once we aren't going to be losing out substantially by doing so. We CAN show Sony where they can stick their smug new upgrades, and stick with DVDs for a good long while yet.

Posted by Harley at 9:10am on Wed Jun 24th 2009

Whoops, I was wrong on the price.

A good 40" HDTV will cost you upwards of �1000.

A good Blu-Ray player will cost you at least �200, for a good deal.

A new Surround Sound system to take advantage of the new sound will cost you about �500, and you can pay a LOT more than that for increasing quality.

And Blu-Ray disks cost about �30 when out new, and they haven't gone down a whole lot either since release.

After you've paid all that, the �20 for a HDMI cable seems a little... negligible, really.

And when push comes to shove, there isn't a lot of visible difference between quality. Oh, you see it if you're looking for it (and you WILL be looking for it if you've just paid around �2000 for a whole new system) but the casual viewer won't spot it the way we saw the difference with DVD vs VHS. There's a limit to how much improvement in quality the human eye can actually see, and while we haven't QUITE gotten there yet, we're pretty damn close.

And like I said, you won't necesserily be able to watch the movie as a Blu-Ray anyway, because despite increased support, that doesn't mean the movie's OUT on Blu-Ray at all, so you'll STILL be settling for Upscaling.

So, it's a maximum outlay for a minimal return. And I think I'll pass on this upgrade, and wait for Supa-Ray (or whatever the next one is) when I'll actually be able to SEE a difference between the formats.

Posted by Harley at 9:52am on Wed Jun 24th 2009

I agree, Blu-Ray SUCKS ASS.

Posted by DEWIGHT E. BELL at 10:35am on Sat Jun 27th 2009

I agree, Blu-Ray SUCKS ASS.

Posted by DEWIGHT E. BELL at 10:36am on Sat Jun 27th 2009

After experiencing the fastest player - a Samsung BD-P3600
the load times are crazy long as are the menu jumps.
What was virtually instant in DVD takes ages in Blue-ray.
On an older player - you might as well go and have lunch and come back to start the movie.
I now totally agree that Sony Blu-ray format TOTALLY SUCKS!

The way SONY's products are going in recent times I hope they go finacially broke. They don't deserve to be in business - at least being in conflict of interest with themselves owning the studios and all.

I hate Sony! and I'm sure the founders are turning in their graves with loosers who are now in charge.

Posted by AUmartin at 6:11am on Sat Jul 11th 2009

Hey fellas,

I was really pissed off because my DVDs looked lousy on my 42" plasma... all sorts of colour problems and such... I was starting to consider canning the system and buying an upscaler or even (dare I say it?) a Blu-ray player...

However I spent about an hour fiddling around with the picture settings on my DVD player... I was almost fiddling on the roof... finally I was able to pinpoint just the right settings for maximum sharpness and absolutely no colour banding.

So... It looks like I can enjoy my good ol' DVDs in all their glory, and put off wasting money on hardware I don't need.

Posted by Daddy-O at 4:25pm on Sun Jul 12th 2009

Not to mention, Blu-Rays are overpriced for what you get. Now I know it's new technology and the movies on Blu-Ray are new too, and if it just cost the price of a new DVD (that's �15-�20 here) I could forgive that.

But it costs about �30 for a Blu-Ray disc. And when on top of that, I can get an 8-disc Friday 13th set for �8 and a 7-disc Elm Street collection for �10, I'll pass.

I have over 350 DVDs. Even if I was going to replace them with Blu-Ray, I couldn't get them all anyway.

Posted by Harley at 11:09am on Sun Jul 19th 2009

Don't most blu-ray releases lack the extras that most standard DVD's now have? I hate how Sony tried to shove Blu-rays down our throats with the PS3, (which is currently being beat by the Wii and its own predecessor the PS2), and make our DVD collections obsolete. Sony is an arrogant company, and I would to see them go belly up.

Posted by Anonymous at 11:01am on Sun Aug 2nd 2009

Don't most blu-ray releases lack the extras that most standard DVD's now have? I hate how Sony tried to shove Blu-rays down our throats with the PS3, (which is currently being beat by the Wii and its own predecessor the PS2), and make our DVD collections obsolete. Sony is an arrogant company, and I would to see them go belly up.

Posted by Anonymous at 11:02am on Sun Aug 2nd 2009

Another thing standing against Blu-Ray is its recent format war. A lot of people bought HD-DVD, spending money on disks and hardware to enjoy it. It was in fact also the better format for the consumer - there were less issues with loading speed, and none at all with updates.

And now those people have been severely booted in the crotch. They have a player that lost a format war. They are not going to be especially keen to shell out AGAIN on Blu-Ray and its disks. After its victory against HD-DVD, Blu-Ray prices were supposed to go down. Instead they have remained the same or gone up. It was expected to experience a boom in popularity. Sales of disks seem to be rather stagnant right now. Blu-Ray is better. Yes. Is it �10 better? No. Can we see every pore on Mega Fox's face? Yes. Do we want to? No. Does it have exclusive content? Yes. Do we give a damn? No.

Many people don't understand that if your TV isn't big enough and new enough, your Blu-Ray player's increased quality will simply go to waste. At 23 inches, my bedroom HD-TV would never spot the difference. In fact, I barely see it on the large screens demonstrating it in shops.

I was in a media shop. There was just one shelf full of Blu-Ray disks. And I can tell you that it was not a small shop - it was probably the largest one in town. It had a 'buy one get one free' offer for some of them. And people were just walking past, not even glancing at them. Shops thought they were lowering the prices of DVDs to get rid of them, but the plan has backfired and people are even more aware of the price difference. When you can get three DVDs for �10 (and no, they aren't necesserily the crap ones) why would you want to buy one Blu-Ray for �30?

Sony claimed that Blu-Ray would come through because it can play DVDs as well as Blu-Ray (as opposed to VHS vs DVD). And unfortunately for them, that's what people are doing. They buy a player and then they don't buy the disks. The best player is still the PS3, which isn't a good thing seeing as it's meant to be a games machine.

And don't forget Streaming. Oh yes, it's newer than Blu-Ray. But it's also being adopted faster. It's cheaper. It feels more like something new, and not just a fancy upgrade. The change-over to Blu-Ray will take years. It has to contend with upconverting DVD. It has to contend with a recession. It will have to contend with Streaming at some point. It will have to contend with the fact that most of the movies currently being made, SUCK and I'd be reluctant to pay �5 for them, let alone �25.

Any media switch takes at least 5 years to become mainstream and longer to replace the previous medium, and Blu-Ray will have to last that long in its current, rather stagnant state. Somehow I have the distinct feeling that, like the minidisk, Blu-Ray will wallow for a few years, frantically claiming superior quality, and then slowly sink into the mire in the face of something that is not only an upgrade from DVD, but is also worth what you pay for it.

Posted by Harley at 7:58am on Wed Aug 5th 2009

2x Pana HDC-SD1 cameras
Class 2 SDHDC memory cards
A really cool coolermaster case
750 watt PS
AMD x2 64 5600+ running at 2.9 Mhz
Biostar TA790GXB A2+ 6.x
8 gig memory 800 mhz
5 SATA 2 WD 750 gig 32 mb cache hard drives
(4 hard drives in RAID 1+0, speeds of 130 to
230 mb/s on Intensity Pro speed tester)
(the fifth drive on RAID 0)
Vista Ultimate 64 bit
1 HD 4890 ATI video card turned up all the way
1 Black Magic Intensity Pro card
BluRay and standard DVD recorders.

Just want to play my Blue Ray discs, I make.

I COULD play my own pre-made BlueRay disc's from the folder(mts2) but not any(tried 5) store bought BlueRay from a folder. Of course it would not play at all from the disc by itself automatically.
It would play a standard DVD just fine and automatically.

The very first time I installed PowerDVD 9 Ultra, I was able to install the 1719 build update. Since reinstalling PowerDVD 9 Ultra as instructed by Cyberlink, I haven't been able to install this update. It fails every time, nearly all the way through it, with error code 1403. I contacted Cyberlink and they sent me instructions to eliminate Power DVD 9 Ultra along with registry file deletions and then reinstall however with many, about 15 attempts, the 1719 build update still errors. Cyberlink says to keep trying their instructions until it works. I am trying but no luck yet.

It could be that since I have some Blue Ray recording software installed that the Blue Ray guys won't let me play them? I bet they are scared to death, that I will buy a Blue Ray disk from the store and actually copy it? When all I want to do is view my own Blue Ray discs I created. I am beginning to see the light at the end of the tunnel....you are correct, completely. I have already spent the money and I am living proof that Blue Ray manufacturers and the motion picture industry is becoming like Democrats who punish the very people they are suppose to serve as citizens and customers.

Posted by Anonymous at 4:22am on Sun Aug 9th 2009

2x Pana HDC-SD1 cameras
Class 2 SDHDC memory cards
A really cool coolermaster case
750 watt PS
AMD x2 64 5600+ running at 2.9 Mhz
Biostar TA790GXB A2+ 6.x
8 gig memory 800 mhz
5 SATA 2 WD 750 gig 32 mb cache hard drives
(4 hard drives in RAID 1+0, speeds of 130 to
230 mb/s on Intensity Pro speed tester)
(the fifth drive on RAID 0)
Vista Ultimate 64 bit
1 HD 4890 ATI video card turned up all the way
1 Black Magic Intensity Pro card
BluRay and standard DVD recorders.

Just want to play my Blue Ray discs, I make.

I COULD play my own pre-made BlueRay disc's from the folder(mts2) but not any(tried 5) store bought BlueRay from a folder. Of course it would not play at all from the disc by itself automatically.
It would play a standard DVD just fine and automatically.

The very first time I installed PowerDVD 9 Ultra, I was able to install the 1719 build update. Since reinstalling PowerDVD 9 Ultra as instructed by Cyberlink, I haven't been able to install this update. It fails every time, nearly all the way through it, with error code 1403. I contacted Cyberlink and they sent me instructions to eliminate Power DVD 9 Ultra along with registry file deletions and then reinstall however with many, about 15 attempts, the 1719 build update still errors. Cyberlink says to keep trying their instructions until it works. I am trying but no luck yet.

It could be that since I have some Blue Ray recording software installed that the Blue Ray guys won't let me play them? I bet they are scared to death, that I will buy a Blue Ray disk from the store and actually copy it? When all I want to do is view my own Blue Ray discs I created. I am beginning to see the light at the end of the tunnel....you are correct, completely. I have already spent the money and I am living proof that Blue Ray manufacturers and the motion picture industry is becoming like Democrats who punish the very people they are suppose to serve as citizens and customers.

Posted by Just want to play my Blue Ray discs, I make. at 4:24am on Sun Aug 9th 2009

I'm totally with ya. Why do I need to upgrade my Linux-superfast Nvidia-accelerated HD player for bluray? There's no need for this shit! Where in the hell are the HD download portals? Why do people still torrent movies - even as 10gb HDs?

Entering "download bluray" on Google, gives you more illegal torrent results and legal results! I hate the music industry for it. My son is 8months old and I have no chance to go to the cinema and I even didnt before. I wanna see movies in english not in f***** German with poor translations, but these blurays arent available here...

I hate all of that and I propose a big bang for the movie industry! With the 1 Gbps lines for consumers coming up, its gonna kill them!

Posted by HD Floppy Disc at 3:43pm on Sun Aug 9th 2009

hey "just want to play my bluray..." why the political jab? it's the Republicans that back big business like Sony and let them hold "monopolies" in the name of capitalism and "free markets." The last 8 years is when the MPAA has gained control over media content. Fact: Republican judges have sided with big business, the music industry and the movie industry 100% of the time even at the detriment of consumers and the real free market. Talk about activist judges...

Posted by bluray is capitalism run amok at 11:02pm on Fri Aug 14th 2009

hey "just want to play my bluray..." why the political jab? it's the Republicans that back big business like Sony and let them hold "monopolies" in the name of capitalism and "free markets." The last 8 years is when the MPAA has gained control over media content. Fact: Republican judges have sided with big business, the music industry and the movie industry 100% of the time even at the detriment of consumers and the real free market. Talk about activist judges...

Posted by bluray is capitalism run amok at 11:03pm on Fri Aug 14th 2009

Que?! Republicans are the ONLY ones that support megacorps? Hmmm how is it that Microsoft, Apple and all their big execs donate millions to the Democrat party? Lets not forget the many Democrats like Bill Clinton loved copy protection and institutionalized it with the DMCA.
But Democrats are definitely not the only asses in D.C. (Pun intended.) Republicans typically support energy companies and the strangle hold they have on the American consumers. TYPICALLY. But lets not forget that Bush put into motion the loveliness of feds being able spy on you for any reason they deem worth of violating your privacy. A stone throw away for giving the same rights to corporations.
Seriously people! If you believe any of the partisan party jerkoffs your one of the mindless zombies thats responsible for this mess. Corporations ARE at fault, IN THAT they have gained too much political power via lawyers, lobbyist, corrupted politicians, and all of us that are willing to look the other way if we think we will get what we want out of the deal.
At this point, MPAA and RIAA don't even need the laws. They can just bring a lawsuit up against you and hold you there till your broke because they don't like you. Might makes right has replaced blind justice. We have a problem. The politicians ... ALL OF THEM are just enablers. As long as we try to point fingers in our bi-partisan piss fight rather than face the real issues the corporations will be gathering more and more of our rights.

Posted by American Cynic at 12:49pm on Wed Aug 26th 2009

Cool it people, cool it. Let's not get political - all political parties get some 'funding' from various corporations. These multi-mega-corporations are wealthy enough to hold you in court until you lose just because your money ran out.

Sony's being a real prick about its restrictions, which really cause more trouble for legal consumers than they do for pirates. The only piracy they're preventing is the very small-scale stuff that happens when people share movies between friends, which isn't really a big deal. Besides, technically once you've bought a movie, it's legal for you to make a copy (say for backup purposes) so long as you don't sell it for money.

You know what else is a problem? Sony hasn't even finished developing Blu-Ray. Half of its 'upgrades' are fixes for bugs. Certainly there's very few actual upgrades for the movie-watchers among us.

So Blu-Ray has room for an interactive menu screen. Fun, yes, but productive or necessery? No. And why isn't it using its extra room on the disk for more bonus features?

Speaking of bonus features, one of the bonus features now commonly added to a DVD is the Director's commentary. How many people actually listen to that? Do you put on a movie for two hours to listen to some smug director telling you why he used a particular form of lighting? No, didn't think so. Why will that change with Blu-Ray? As for 'cut scenes' and trivia quizzes, those fit on DVDs already.

Yes, I know some people go to the trouble of using these extra features, but a lot of people don't because, attention Sony, we want to WATCH A BLOODY MOVIE.

Blu-Ray quality, even at its best, isn�t a whole lot better than an Upscaled DVD. And then there�s the fact that no movies shot before 2002 will have been shot in HD anyway � and not all of them after that. Your choice is drastically reduced � as is the range of movies Sony will be able to sell.

Prices are too high, and while I can see them coming down somewhat, Blu-Rays cost about $5 to burn as it is. Then there's transport, packaging and middle-men. Good DVD movies can be bought in shops for about $5 now, and sometimes less, and cost pennies to burn. I can't see Blu-Ray ever selling for less than �10 - if it lasts long enough to drop to that price.

It�s not just a battle against regular DVDs either � Blu-Ray also needs to win against Upscaling, which is considerably less expensive. When I replaced my broken DVD player, I did so with an Upscaler. Nobody who has decided that upscaling is enough for them will care to go for Blu-Ray.

It�s not about comparing frozen screens. It�s about comparing playing movies with sound.

It�s not about the quality of the picture. It�s about all the nasty little restrictions that Sony has added to their Blu-Ray discs and players for no reason other than the Purpose Of Making Money.

It�s not about comparing the price of a DVD player vs a Blu-Ray player. It�s about comparing the price of an Upscaling DVD player vs the price of a Blu-Ray player, new discs, a 40 inch HDTV, and a new sound system.

It�s not about sales of players. It�s about sales of movies � you only buy one player, but you buy many, many movies. The PS3 won the first format battle for Sony, but it�s unlikely to win the war.

It's not just about sales of big movies - it's about the smaller studios who will, thanks to the cost and lower popularity of Blu-Ray, be unable to make small runs of movies. Blu-Ray is not really an option for the small studios, further limiting the movies released on Blu-Ray and thus the money earned by it.

Eventually something will come along that will replace both DVDs and Upscaling-DVDs. But it is unlikely to be Blu-Ray.

Posted by Harley at 6:22am on Mon Aug 31st 2009

why don't you cry about it a little more champ?

then mommy can rub your back till you fall asleep to your crappy DVD movie!!!!

While you do that I'm Going to go watch Dark Knight on BLU-RAY! and glamor at how i can see the pores that used to be on Heath Ledgers face!!

Viva-La-Blu-Ray!

Posted by DoomCanoe at 12:51am on Wed Sep 2nd 2009

Question: Why do I WANT to see the pores on Heath Leger's face? Or Megan Fox's face, for that matter. Are they really that attractive? Do facial pores add THAT much to the experience?

And would I be able to see them on my 22 inch screen anyway?

And would I care if I could?

My gosh, I don't think I DO care about the facial pores of superstars! Can you believe it?

Posted by Anonymous at 10:51am on Mon Sep 7th 2009

Question: Why do I WANT to see the pores on Heath Leger's face? Or Megan Fox's face, for that matter. Are they really that attractive? Do facial pores add THAT much to the experience?

And would I be able to see them on my 22 inch screen anyway?

And would I care if I could?

My gosh, I don't think I DO care about the facial pores of superstars! Can you believe it?

Posted by Harley at 10:52am on Mon Sep 7th 2009

Well, it's 2009 and I guess the anti Blueray pundits better start gathering around the coffee machine and make themselves a nice big cup of harden the fuck up.

Blueray is here to stay. You can sit there all day in front of your computer complaining about the world (what have you done today to make it better?) or you can embrace the technology and reap it's benefits.

Get over it.

Posted by EJ at 10:23pm on Wed Sep 9th 2009

Trying to watch "Seven Pounds" blu-ray disk on my PC using PowerDVD that I PAID FOR with my Retail LG drive. The goddam movie is scrambled. I paid to rent it and now I can't view it. Thanks bluray.

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That's ANOTHER of the problems with Blu-Ray. It's not a fully developed product. It's not finished its development; ergo it's not as good as it could be and you're buying an incomplete product. Not exactly excellent reasoning to buy new technology.

Posted by Harley at 1:39pm on Sat Sep 12th 2009

Sure would like it if the Blu Ray disks I buy or rent actually would play... but the slightest hint of a defect screws Blu Ray up.

My BRAND NEW, never opened, Disk today froze midway through... no apparent problem... can't seem to do anything to coax life out of it.

Similar to too many rentals. Pisses me off. Too flaky to use. Won't be long before everything is download on demand and we can toss this optical flaky crap.

Posted by malcontent at 9:44pm on Thu Sep 17th 2009

As long as it is improving for the better. Why not???? Just make sure that everyone of us support it and evetually the prices of Bluray will be more affordable (economies of scale) for every household to own a unit. We need to move on.... life is short.

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where are you getting all these little insider secrets like the consideration of allowing a disc to only be played on one player? (Was it the trusty internet?)It sucks that blu-ray is really popular because of the PS3 right cause that throws your wasting money idea out the window? I don't know why you hate these things cause there is nothing separating these from ipods or computers there is turf war but you use both of those things so you can't speak out against them or you would be a horrible liar, right?

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Blu-ray, and any other patented standard limit my freedom.
I bought a camcorder to produce my own pictures. I am well tasted I do not like all that commercial produced in serial factories.

But I am not a millionaire to use photographic film, not even in the Super 8 format.

My option is a true HD camcorder. The trend is to manufacture just to record in the AVC/HD format you can burn blu-ray disks directly from the camera.

But I want to use OpenSource Free Software to edit MY films.
But I can't do it nicely because there are patents that prevent OpenSource sites to distribute software using this format.

They consider every "consumer" an actual pirate. They only think that the only reason to buy this stuff is to make illegal copies of their stupid repetitive, always a new remake of the same picture.

The reason that piracy exist is that they charge too much money for their pictures and music.

All this obstacles limit OUR FREEDOM of speech.

It is a technological lock to make more difficult independent movie makers.

The alternative, get pirate editing software for windows?
NO, one should refuse to use their products.
Support OpenSource software instead!

One needs unexpensive recording media, not priced like a recorded one. Media is also used to backup our own data.

I do not know the price of a Blu-ray picture, but the virgin media is very expensive. It is better to buy hard disks for backup.
I have to convert my 1920x1080 to 720x480 NTSC DVD format, to give as a gift to my friends.

I am not interested in selling my pictures, but if I were, it is very difficult to do it in high definition.
That just promotes a monopolistic strategy of the big companies.

That is what they are afraid of, real competitors interested in producing better content.

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Posted by freedom lover at 4:45pm on Thu Apr 1st 2010

People share their movies, I can't believe it is considered bad to watch movies with friends ! Maybe they should sell movies for only one person to be watching alone !!! those sick bastards.

Posted by just my 2 cents at 4:52pm on Thu Apr 1st 2010

Aggree with everyone...

but i have to say when a standard does comes out there only time then someone finds a way to break the code of either formats.

Just give it time....

Posted by anon at 8:23am on Sat May 8th 2010

even dvd movies have copyright prtection. The share holders always come first in this world, then the artist then the comsumer.

Posted by wolf at 10:40am on Sat Jun 12th 2010

when we all learn to share this would and what it has on offer then we this will change. But ask your self would share your wife with another man. And if i could clone her would you let me. These movie , stories, and music is created by a artist. god created man but does he own man, NO not even you mum owns you. So hollywood does not own these movies and niether does it creator. Thanks Bill Gates for bad influence and stubid licence idea for MS. Bill gates started this shit, before him we shared and cared

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Posted by Rixster at 12:11pm on Wed Jun 30th 2010

Blu-ray sucks. Nice when it works but at least half the discs I play have some problems, video breakup, audio drop outs, etc. Firmware updates rarely do much. Big scam. Obviously a rushed to market, not ready for prime time technology. Don't waste your time and money on this BS.

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Posted by AnetQa at 4:44am on Wed Jul 21st 2010

All i have to say is that i love high definition. yeah copyright laws suck. but what the heck. as long as i'm downloading mkv. i don't care. long live the internet and open source software and the hackers that that make expensive software free...
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Posted by DunGroomin at 2:12pm on Thu Aug 19th 2010

I thought your bit about quality between DVD and BluRay was interesting, if not simply laughable. I thought it was remarkable clever of you to completely bypass the fact of audio bit-rates and try to convince everybody that audio quality is determined solely and exclusively by the number of speakers you have. Let's face it: if you have seventeen speakers surrounding you and you're listening to a compressed .wma file at 32 kpbs, the sound quality is metallic and terrible. Comparatively, listening to completely uncompressed audio on even just two speakers is an entire world of difference. Even with the greatest compression formats ever developed, audio transcribed to a lower quality format will always be lower quality. BluRay discs support the audio in its original uncompressed format (44.1 kHz), while DVDs must have the audio compressed in order to fit it onto the disc. For the true home theatre enthusiast, the experience is often focused on the sound over the image. Let's be serious, computer monitors have been outpacing modern HDTV for more than a decade now. I had a monitor in 1999 that supported a resolution higher than 1440 x 1080, so judging BluRay by its picture and technologies while entirely ignoring its leaps and bounds in audio is disgusting and even a fair bit dishonest.

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